Is Jesus the Son of God?

Some sects within Christianity believe that Jesus is not God, yet, they believe that Jesus is the Son of God. The trinitarians also believe that Jesus is the Son of God and God at the same time.

Many seek comfort in the famous verse, ‘For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life.’(John 3:16) Some say that the Son of God is second in the ‘divine trinity.’ Others state that God used Mary to bring forth his Son to die for the sins of the world. Also, one has to believe that Jesus is the Son of God or he is an anti-Christ.

Many beliefs are held regarding the sonship of Jesus Christ peace be onto him. When we say that Jesus is the Son of God, is this literal or metaphorical? What does the term ‘son of God’ mean? The Bible, the Holy Quran, logic and common sense dictates that Jesus peace be on him is not literally the son of God but a servant and prophet of God.

The Old Testament proves that son of God is not exclusive to Jesus. ‘Behold, a son (ben בֵ֞ן) shall be born to thee, who shall be a man of rest; and I will give him rest from all his enemies round about: for his name shall be Solomon, and I will give peace and quietness unto Israel in his days. He shall build an house for my name; and he shall be my son, and I will be his father; and I will establish the throne of his kingdom over Israel for ever.’(I Chronicles 22:9-10) Solomon is seen as a son of God according to the verses. Secondly, David is the begotten son of God, ‘Psalms 2:7 we find “I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son (ben בֵ֞ן); this day have I begotten thee.’(Psalms 2:7) If David is begotten by God, why is it said that Jesus is the only begotten son of God? Also, Israel is a son of God, ‘And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son (ben בֵ֞ן), even my firstborn.’(Exodus 4:22) These verses in the Old Testament proves that Jesus is not exclusively the son of God.

The New Testament shows that Jesus is not the only son of God. “Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.”(Luke 3:38) This verse shows that Adam peace be onto him was the son of God. Additionally, peacemakers are sons of God, ‘Blessed are the peacemakers for they will be called sons of God.’(Matthew 5:9) Let us site other examples, ‘Therefore, brothers, we have an obligation—but it is not to the sinful nature, to live according to it. For if you live according to the sinful nature, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live, because those who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God. For you did not receive a spirit that makes you a slave again to fear, but you received the Spirit of sonship. And by him we cry, “Abba, Father.”

The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children. Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.(Romans 8:12-17) Those who are led by the spirit of God are sons of God; does that make one a literal son of God or is this figurative language? Are we heirs of God meaning that God will die someday then we may have dominion over his kingdom? Is Son of God exclusive to Jesus? All these questions and verses proves non-exclusivity of the ‘sonship’ of Jesus Christ (p). Lastly, ‘I will call them ‘my people’ who are not my people; and I will call her ‘my loved one’ who is not my loved one, and, it will happen that in the very place where it was said to them, ‘You are not my people,’ they will be called ‘sons of the living God.'(Romans 9:25-26) Thus New Testament verses prove that God does not have an offspring.

Logic, dictates and common sense attest that Jesus is not the literal son of God. Let us examine the famous verse then discuss it God’s willing, ‘For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life.’(John 3:16) Many Christians boast that the original scriptures of the New Testament is Greek. For the sake of discourse, let’s explore the main root words in Greek. In Greek the term ‘huios’ (υἱὸν) means according to the Greek Lexicon: a son (sometimes of animals), used very widely of immediate, remote or figuratively, kinship — child, foal, son. If you believe that God literally has a son then your interpretation would be God has a son (sometimes of animals) or a child or an offspring of God. Also, the word begotten in Greek is monogenes (μονογενη) which means:  only-born, i.e. sole — only (begotten, child).

If one believes that Jesus is the begotten literal son of God then, what does begotten means? To begot means to be the biological father of, or to cause to come into existence.(yourdictionary.com) If one says that God is the biological father of Jesus and Mary is the biological mother of Jesus, is this implying that God and Mary had biological relations to bring forth Jesus out of wedlock? If you mean the latter definition that he caused Jesus to come into existence then know that God caused all things to come into existence. Therefore, logic and common sense dictates that Jesus is not the literal son of God.

The Bible proves that son of God means servant of God. In I Chronicles 22:9 Solomon is the son of God. The word in Hebrew is Ben (בֵ֞ן) which means: a son (as a builder of the family name), in the widest sense (of literal and figurative relationship, including grandson, subject, nation, quality or condition, etc.). If son of God means one with a family name then Solomon is literally the son of God like Jesus which amounts to blasphemy because to literally beget is an animal act. If it is figurative language then the best meaning here would be subject, so Solomon is God’s servant or subject. Also, the attribution of peacemakers being the children of God is in a figurative sense which means a servant of God. Therefore, we have clarified that son of God means a servant of God.

The Bible and Holy Quran proves that Jesus was a prophet or messenger of God.  And the crowds said, ‘This is the prophet (prophetes προφητης) Jesus of Nazareth of Galilee.’(Matthew 21:11) Moreover Jesus said, ‘A prophet (prophetes προφητης) is not without honour, except in his own country, and among his own kin, and in his own house.’(Mark 6:4) These verses from the Bible clearly show that Jesus was a prophet of God and not the literal son of God. Additionally, Allah says, ‘O people of the book (Jews and Christians)! Commit no excesses in religion; do not say anything about Allah except the truth. Jesus Christ the son of Mary was a Messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him; so believe in Allah and his messengers. Do not say “Trinity” desist; it will be better for you for Allah is One God, glory to Him above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth and enough is Allah as a disposer of affairs.’(Chapter 4:171)

The Holy Quran proves beyond a shadow of doubt that God has absolutely no offspring. Chapter Purity of Faith states that God has no son or offspring. ‘He begets not, nor is He begotten.’(Chapter 112:3) Those who say that God has a literal son echo similar sentiments of pagans of past generations. Allah addresses the pagans regarding this grave misconception, “Now ask them their opinion, is it that your Lord has daughters and they have sons? Or that We created the angels female, and they are witnesses? Is it not that they say from their own invention, ‘Allah has begotten children?’ They are liars! Did He choose daughters rather than sons? What is the matter with you? How do you judge? Will you not receive admonition? Do you have a manifest authority? Bring your book if you are truthful.”(Chapter 37:149-157) Many verses in the Holy Quran dispels the notion that Allah begets a son as well as challenges anyone to bring their scriptures for scrutiny as we have done today. Thus Allah’s word is crystal clear for all to understand without any preconceived notions.

In short, the Bible, the Holy Quran and dictates of reason proves even in their ‘original’ language that Jesus is not the literal or exclusively the son of God. Also, any verse or interpretation which contradicts what is proven above leaves one to question the validity and interpretation of the Bible.

In conclusion, it is understood that we as a Dominican nation were taught these concepts which originated from Greco-Romanian paganism. As we journey into dispelling the myths about God with authentic proofs and evidences, articles will be presented about the accurate knowledge about God with deep spiritual insight and understanding. It will be clear for both polytheists, agnostics and atheists to recognise. The question is, what is the condition of your heart as you examine these proofs? Do you feel a tightness or contrition in your chest which causes an emotional response or are you relaxed and calm as proofs and evidences are presented so that Allah will guide you to the truth? My objective as a writer is to present the evidences, whatever you choose to do with them is between you and God. My duty is to convey the message.

Thank you for reading. If you would like to ask any questions about islam please email [email protected] or look into Islam www.al-islam.org. I have noticed from my previous article that many people really do not understand about Islam. Please allow me to clarify your issues then you may make a decision God’s willing.

From: Dawoud Abdur-rahman Darroux (Sheldon)

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56 Comments

  1. Muslim_Always
    November 10, 2010

    @disciple of JESUS CHRIST: Halleluyah Halleluyan son of God means servant of God read the article and open your mind!

  2. disciple of JESUS CHRIST
    November 9, 2010

    1 John 5:5
    Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
    HALLELUJAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  3. Lord Aganus
    November 9, 2010

    First Judgement, Gods killed all dinosaurs with H5N1.
    Second Judgement, Gods destroyed the Atlantis with Tsunami and Earth quake, because they can heal themselves.
    Third Judgement, Gods will not punish human with Tsunami and Earth quake, unless we accept the punishment with viral infection.

    So most of you have already known of 2012 prediction. But have you ever found anyone who advise that we have better let Gods decrease the population by virus more than by earth quake? What would happen if there’s no big epidemic happened in Europe sometime ago?

    There are at least three methods which can wipe out all the dinosaurs from this world, viral or bacteria infection, comet or asteroid, volcano eruption. Whatever cause it was, the result was that there must be about 100 millions bony structures of dinosaur scattering around the world. But all the dinosaur bony structures we have found worldwide nowadays is only about 100.
    Do you believe that all the oil that we consume more than 500 million liters per day resulted from the accumulation of dinosaur corpses? If you believe this fact you should imagine that there must be millions of dinosaur bony structures at the bottom of every oil well. So does it mean that after the massacre of dinosaurs there’s someone (not somebody) who dig many big holes around this globe and moved all dinosaur corpses to those oil wells? Do I have to tell you who performed that miracle?

    I have been atheist since my teenage. But now I dare to say that I know the truth of Gods more than anyone in the world history. For the past five years I have experienced many dozens of miracles. The most importance is that I had seen 7 Gods twice and Shri Vishnu once. The latter played sitar while flying at supersonic speed! Each God sits on a lotus which floating on the different size of globe of golden cosmic substance.
    I used to laugh at many tales from scriptures, bibles etc., especially those Hindu Gods stories. In fact some are true, but there’s a lot of mistakes. Why?
    There are only two methods which Gods and Demigods (only sit on a lotus but no golden globe) often use to give information to us, through our dream (mainly in the Western people) or meditation (mainly in the Eastern people). Other method is by channeling, but this method is not solely by God and Demigod, other divine, deva (stand on lotus and no golden globe), archangel, angel and even ghost, can perform this action. Altogether in the Spirit matrix the number of Gods and Demigods is about 20. Please notice that I don’t use the word ‘Heaven matrix’ because divine, ghost, evil all share the same matrix. Thus there’s no hell.
    Jesus is neither God nor God’s son. Shri Ganesh and Shri Hanuman is the 6th and 7th God who ascended more than 500,000 years, 200,000 years ago. So now you know the five class of divine and some of their profiles. Exactly I will be surprised if you believe me. And if you don’t believe, you should stop reading now.

    The error of information in any scripture is due mainly to wrong interpretation, especially a dream was always interfered with data stored in our memory. Though information during meditation is more accurate, it’s can not be a very long event, such as the picture of Adam&Eve&snake, witch etc. I also got a lot of information though meditation which let me know that God created this Earth in 7 steps. Each step was finished within a few seconds or minutes.

    These are the major reasons why there are a lot of errors in Western and Eastern scripture. Not to mention many errors deliberately added on by many bad religious leaders who are eager of power, sex and money. Sometimes those humbugs had to create many stories to reply the doubtfulness of those evangelists;
    1.Jesus died for our sin. In fact the reason that Jesus died on cross is the same as Jon of Arc was killed by fire.
    2.God helped Israelites across the Red sea by raising the sea. In fact God can destroy or remove the whole planet in a few minutes. God would not spend more than 10 hours waiting those people to walk across the sea. But God moved all of them across the sea in a few seconds. I experienced the moving power of Gods at least 5 times. I was removed out of this matrix to another and come back again. This technic is nearly perfect. Believe or not, Gods can also edit our recent memory, probably over millions people at a time. After that big emigrate, those Israelites didn’t even know that they were moved across the sea.
    Do you notice that all the comets found in the Universe must come back to our solar system? Because they were thrown away from here by Gods. The origins of those comets are the 3 destroyed planets in our solar system.
    3.Shri Ganesh is Shri Shiva’s son. In fact five Gods never have any family, gender or born in our world. They have no face, only 2 eyes, multiple arms but no finger.

    God also gave me the information of 9/11 event through my dream 6 months before it really happened, At that time I thought it’s only a nightmare. This clearly means that God does not interfere with Bin Ladin action. But it doesn’t mean that God supports Bin Ladin either, think wisely.
    Another information which I got nearly 2 years ago, was the stunning big crack on the moon. It’s about 3/4 of the moon diameter in length with deep brick color. You won’t believe that God removed all atmosphere of the moon within 20 seconds. I don’t know that it is the bloody moon, until I read the criteria of Judgement Day in the early of this year.

    I hope this should be enough to explain why should we accept the viral infection.

    7 Gods bless you.
    Lord Aganus

  4. Lord Aganus
    October 23, 2010

    Though I’m atheist, in the past 5 years, I had seen 7 Gods twice, and Shri Vishnu once. And not to mention dozen of miracles which I had experienced.
    For many thousand years Hindu people believe that only Shri Vishnu stays on Ksheer Saagar. But in fact, all 7 Gods sit on a Lotus which floats on Ksheer Saagar(wrong name but I don’t know how to correct yet). Ksheer Saagar is a globe of golden cosmic substance with plenty of waves running wildly in all directions.
    This is one of the major differences betwenn 7 Gods and any ascended masters (Krishna, Buddha, Jesus, Milarepa, Mataji etc.) who only sits or stand on a lotus.

  5. disciple of JESUS CHRIST
    October 21, 2010

    @Muslim_Always: hi again thouhjt u will be touched by this true story
    http://www.freecdtracts.com/testimony/mohammed.htm

  6. disciple of JESUS CHRIST
    October 21, 2010

    @Muslim_Always: God loves you my muslim friend check this out
    http://www.FreeCDTracts.com/testimony/caner.htm

  7. disciple of JESUS CHRIST
    October 21, 2010

    the words of Jesus to those who believes in Him Matthew 5

    Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.

    44But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

    45That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

    46For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?

    47And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?

    48Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

  8. Muslim_Always
    October 19, 2010

    @Lizavier4Jesus: I’m responding to you regarding what you wrote to Omowale. Firstly, you mentioned ‘someone called Allah.’ This is the problem, how could you be guided by the Holy Spirit peace be upon him (p) yet you have no idea who is Allah Glory be to him in the highest or the Prophet Muhammad (p)? The Holy Spirit is suppose to be your teacher, why doesn’t he teach you about Allah and Prophet Muhammad? Secondly my sister, if you want to teach us about christianity, could you kindly be mindful of your muslim audience? Don’t you know it’s important to speak in a clear language? The messiah (p) spoke plainly to the fishermen and the common people so that they heard, understood thus began to follow him. He spoke parables afterward he explained those parables didn’t he (p)? Also, you claim that we are carnal minded, how could you speak in spiritual language to one who is carnal minded? Will you not then reflect? Shouldn’t you at least know the right spiritual food for a carnal minded audience?

    Now the purpose of my responding is not to belittle you or that I feel superior to you. Both of us are children of Adam therefore, we are brothers and sisters in humanity. In this I will share somethings with you about Islam, what you choose to do with the information is between you and Allah. I believe in my heart Lizavier you mean very well in your sharing of the message of Jesus Christ (p). Thank you very much for sharing.

    Firstly, what is Islam? Islam means total submission to the will of Allah glory be to Him in the highest with full committment in absolute obedience to His laws. This purity of soul and mind will bring perfect peace in this world and in the life hereafter. Not that we are only about the law but law and grace in Allah are combined that’s why Allah begins in His book in almost every verse, In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

    Secondly, who are muslims? The muslim is one who thoughtfully and willfully submits himself to the will of Allah. Those who intellectually and firmly believe in Islam and sincerely practice its teachings are referred as muslims. Every people was born with that innate knowledge to verify between truth and falsehood. Allah which is the arabic name for God which is said both by christian and jewish peoples who speak arabic language said in the last revelation for mankind called the Holy Quran:

    ‘And remember when your Lord brought forth the children of Adam, from their loins – their descendants and made them testify of themselves, (saying): Am I not your Lord? They said: Yes, verily, we do testify: lest (so that) you should say on the day of judgement: ‘Verily, we have been unaware of this.’ (chapter 7:172)

    Thirdly, we believe in all the messengers of Allah, some of them are Noah, Abraham, Moses, David, Jesus the messiah. We believe that Muhammad is the last and seal of all messengers/prophets thus he reconfirmed what was taught by the previous prophets. One of the crucial teachings important for salvation is pure monotheism called in arabic Taw-heed.

    Tawheed is the most basic principle of Islam. Islam is the only religion which teaches a pure, perfect and unadulterated concept of monotheism, and entertains no compromise with nationalism, racism, polytheism, trinitarianism, saint-worship, idol worship or considering anyone in anyway equal to God or part of God.

    Allah says in the Holy Quran: Say: Allah is one, the eternal God. He begot none, nor was He begotten. None is equal to Him or like Him. (chapter 112:1-4)

    The main beliefs in Islam are:

    Allah mentions about a firm root beareth a good tree laden with fruits. The roots of Islam are:

    1. Belief in the Oneness of Allah

    2. Allah’s justice – Allah is never unjust to any creature. His justice is perfect.

    3. Prophethood – To believe in all the prophets and their books revealed by Allah. We believe that they were perfect representatives of Allah. They never committed sins. They have the most knowledge and best character.

    4. Leadership – To believe that Allah sent leaders to mankind. There are prophets who hold leadership like Abraham, and Muhammad. Leadership is a divine office, generally, those who hold this position are statesmen. They are infallible as well.

    5. Resurrection and Judgement Day – The reward for the good doers is paradise and the reward for the evil doers is the hell fire.

    Branches of religion

    1. Worship – the muslim worship five times a day rather than once a week. He seeks nearness to Allah.

    2. Fasting – the muslim fasts for one month during the 9th lunar month. This is the month the holy Quran was revealed. The muslim also do optional fasts as well.

    3. Charity – the rich must give 2.5% of their wealth to the poor

    4. Pilgrimage – One who can afford to visit Makka and Medinah in Saudi Arabia at least once in a lifetime.

    5. Khums – 1/5 of the rich must be given for the poor and other activities to the economy.

    6. Jihad – to struggle in the path of God against evil desires and against oppression.

    7. To enjoin the good

    8. To forbid the evil

    9. To love those who love the prophet and his family

    10. To leave alone those who show hatred for the prophet (p) and his family.

    For more information you may read this book. http://www.dartabligh.org/books/ebooks/basicbeliefs/basicbeliefs.pdf

    It is between you and Allah now my sister, my humble duty was to convey the message. Allah is the witness between me and you.

    Peace be to you my sister in humanity.

  9. disciple of JESUS CHRIST
    October 18, 2010

    @<a href="#comment-8790John 8:44
    Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

  10. disciple of JESUS CHRIST
    October 18, 2010

    @voompeh: John 3:16 (King James Version)

    16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

  11. Lizavier4Jesus
    October 18, 2010

    @omowale:

    “Be careful of the Quran unless you be destroyed?” Well who are you to think that you have the right to express that kind of warning to another person? It is that kind of pride and arrogance in the minds of yours and your counterparts, that keeps you guys living in your existence of darkness, deafness, and blindness, as you do not have a clue where it is that you are heading to. You are really speaking without wisdom and understanding, if you think that the words in a book written by a human being, without God’s Holy Spirit, is more destructive than that of the Words of the Holy Bible, which declares God Almighty to be the God of Spirit, Holiness. Love and Truth, by His authority and power in His Person of Jesus Christ.

    You base your understanding from a book which tells you that someone named Allah sent this book to you teacher, named Mohammad (or whatever his name is I do not care). And you use that information to argue against, or question the message and authority of our Holy Bible, where a Man in the of Jesus Christ declares that Eternal Spirit, Almighty God sent Him to this world?

    Don’t you understand that your religious founder and teacher is dead in his grave, but Jesus Christ sits at the right hand of Eternal Spirit, Christ, Almighty God, whom He claimed lived in Him, and He in Him when He was in this world? Do you know that you foolishly questioned Exodus 12: 12-13, and you have no idea what Jeremiah 8: 8 means based on the point you tried to expressed?

    The Holy Bible is not just a Book, it becomes the Living Word–the Spiritual food of Life, when a person is connected to God Almighty, by faith in His Human Person, Jesus Christ. Jesus told Satan, man shall not live by bread–physical food– alone, but by every Word of God. Luke 4: 4
    The apostle John, who walked with Jesus for three years, identified Him to us, as the “Word of God, which became Flesh”. Jesus told the Jewish people of His days: “You must eat my Flesh and drink my blood in order that you might have Life in you”. This warning is for every human being who exists in this world today. That is what you and your friends are unable to grasp or comprehend, the reason you used Exodus 12: 12-13 to try to prove what you think you believe is truth.

    The Israelites were God’s chosen people, but they were humans, just like the rest of the people in Egypt. By that time they knew nothing about God’s training and discipline, the ways by which He planned to make them a people with the mind of Spirit and Truth. In other words they were just as carnal as the Egyptians were.

    God is Spirit, and regardless of whether it was the Israelites or the Egyptians, as long as people remain unconnected to Him in Spirit and Truth, they do not know God, for in Spirit He remains separated from them. God made a promise with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, to become reconciled to them and their descendants, but those people would also have to make that personal choice and to undergo discipline and training from a God of Love and Holiness.

    Yes, at the time that God needed to execute the plague of death on the land of Egypt, He needed that the people of Israel be identified with something that His Spirit would be able to notice, because Israelites and Egyptians were all human beings, who existed in their state of separation from God–or the carnal nature of the mind. God is not ignorant of no one, but all human beings, including His chosen people, are the same to Him; until He has changed them to know Him in Spirit and Truth.

    All of the Israelites that left Egypt, and was over 20 years old–even Moses–died in the Wilderness; because of their lack of faith and disobedience to God Almighty. As I have mentioned before, it is God’s Love in His Person of Jesus Christ, that is protecting you, and the rest of you, from the wrath of His Holiness, as you claim to be bigger than Him, with your arrogant questions and blasphemous objections of His Word, through Jesus Christ. Or else you would not be around to warn people about the destructiveness of your religious book.

    As in Jeremiah 8: 8, the Holy Bible is disclosing the sinful and shameless conducts and attitude of mankind of ages gone by–the reason they remained separated from God, without knowledge of Him and His ways of Love–that those who came into existence in future ages would take heed and allow God’s Holy Spirit to work in their lives for the sake of Salvation, which is reconciliation to a God of Love, who is of Spirit, Holiness and Truth. In other words the Holy Bible is pointing to us the ways that we should live for the sake of our salvation and the glorification of God Almighty.

    Through His prophet Jeremiah, in that the scripture which you quoted, God is saying that His people has chosen to accept false teachings–the false writing of the scribes of those days–claiming themselves to be wise, as they reject and disobey His laws and His teachings. If you look at the end of verse 7, you should hear God saying: “But My people do not know the judgment of the Lord” Jeremiah 8: 7

    That is exactly what you have done as you turned to the Quran, which you claim is the truth. Right then and there you have foolishly pointed out your own wrong doings, while you claim that disrespect of the Quran is a destructive practice. Oh please! You cannot just quote one or two verses of the Holy Bible, if you are not sure how to express the point you are trying to express.

    Eternal Spirit, Christ, Almighty God is not of flesh and blood. Jesus declared that He was in the Father and the Father was in Him, because He lived by the wisdom, power, authority, mind and conscience of Christ. No human being can function like Jesus, if they continue to allow the functions of the human mind in their lives. A human being must undergo the birth of the Spirit of God and the renewing of the mind, in mode of becoming like God, in Jesus Christ.

    Hence those of us who become connected to God Almighty, know Him to be the Person of Love, Spirit, Holiness, and Truth in Jesus Christ, the evidence that we are becoming transformed to know completely, the Life of Love. And the Life of Love is the Life of Spirit, the only Life there is. Jesus said: It is the Spirit that gives Life, the flesh profits nothing. John 6: 63 This flesh was formed with dust and it will return to that state of dust. God Almighty said to Adam: Dust you are and to dust you shall return. Hence Adam received the eternal death sentence, even before he passed away in his physical state. Genesis 3: 19 To Jesus, the Lord, the Son of God, He said: “Sit at my right hand until I make Your enemies Your footstool” Matthew 22: 44

    The flesh and blood of Jesus–not the same nature as that of mankind, for this flesh was perfect– was to represent the perfect Lamb, the Lamb without blemish–the sin offering that was needed to redeem mankind from their sinful nature. Mankind came into this world as sin, shut out the God of Spirit; hence, by His physical Person, Jesus Christ, God demonstrated His attitude and conducts of Love, Life in Spirit and Truth, that human beings would have seen, heard, understand, believe and receive by faith, to bring Life into their soul.

    It is not you that do not have time to continue with the blog you posted on DNO. It is God’s Holy Spirit who shut you up, to protect His humble people of Dominica, from the contamination of the lies that Satan is trying to plague their minds with, through you

  12. non-theist
    October 16, 2010

    muslims, christians, and other theists. no point arguing over these myths. your holy books were written by regular men wanting to push their agenda. your deities are non-existent. so y argue? lets talk about more pressing and useful things. like how to develop Dominica, the land which we all share.

  13. voompeh
    October 16, 2010

    @disciple of JESUS CHRIST: The father himself has denied him, prove to me just once where the father has mentioned his name or that I am sending my son to die for the sins of the world. please prove it from the mouth of the creator. He has metioned all the names of his messiahs (anointed) Cyrus, David, just to mention a few. Like in Daniel 9: 25 which was speaking about cyrus (the anointed leader) as it is writen in the hebrew, but it is no use going through that with you. If you want to know who you are read Duet 28 and see the curses put upon Yisrael and see what nation has been a recipient of that curse. christian nor islam belong to us.

    Yahweh told Abram, know of a surety that your seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and shall afflict them four hundred years; there is alot more that i can prove but study and you will be enlighten

    Hosea 13:4 Yet I am Yahweh thy Ellohim from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no Ellohim but me: for there is no savior beside me. Is he lying?

  14. omowale
    October 16, 2010

    @Concerned Citizen:

    IN THE NAME OF ALLAH THE COMPASSIONAT THE MERCIFUL

    Dear Concerned Citizen I feel honored once again to respond to your quires and I must also let you know that out of all the brothers and sisters who spoke their minds, and gave their opinions on DNO you are the one I value the most. That is because of your objectiveness. I myself question the validity of everything and find answers to what I oppose through demonstrative proofs and sound reasoning. I must let you know that this method is very satisfying in terms of seeking truth, but most importantly an open mind devoid of preconceived notions should be the foremost objective, that is because biasness never finds truth.

    Now in one of your posts you mentioned that many Muslims do not know that SURAH JONAH 10: 94 appears in the Qur’an and the translation of the verse you quoted read ‘If you are in doubt about the truth, ask those who read the Scripture that came before you.” Which from your understanding the Prophet Muhammad or the Muslims should ask you (the Christians) if we were in doubt about truth? This is a grave misunderstanding and distortion to the translation, meaning and explanation of the Qur’an
    You should know that the Qur’an is not a book that anyone could pick up and give his\her own meanings and interpolations. There are strict rules that govern its interpretation finding out the significance of its verses which I am on modality make known.
    1. Firstly you should know that the Qur’an is in Arabic so it cannot be explained in a foreign tongue. Allah says in the Qur’an: “Verily We have sent it down, an Arabic Qur’an that you may understand.” {Quran: 12: 2] This was your first mistake because your translations says: “if you are in doubt about TRUTH” when in reality the verse says, “If you are in doubt about what we have REVEALED *NOTE: the Arabic word for truth is Haqq and the Arabic word for revealed is anzal. So you see how this little misunderstanding could take you completely out of the scope of what’s being said. This should be a pointer to you that your present day bible don’t have the original scrip to fall back on if an intricate explanation like this is needed

    2. THE QUR’AN EXPLAINS ITSELF. Allah says, “And We reveal the Scripture unto thee as an exposition for all things.” [Qur’an: 16: 89] And elsewhere Allah says: “He it is Who have revealed unto you (Muhammad) the Book, of it there are verses which are plain, these are the basis of the Book, and others are ambiguous; But those in whose hearts there is a perversity, they are after that which is ambiguous therein seeking to mislead and seeking interpret while none knows its hidden interpretation except Allah and those fully grounded in knowledge; say they: “We believe in it, all is from our Lord,” but none mind except those endowed in wisdom.[ Qur’an: 3: 7]
    The Prophet Muhammad has warned, “Whoever explains the Qur’an to fulfill his own lower desires will find himself in hell.”
    3. THE SCIENCE OF QUR’ANIC REVELATION: You should know that the Qur’an is not an endeavor of man but a Revelation from the Lord of the Worlds; therefore it has a unique way of reaching us. Firstly, there is the Speaker (1st Person) which is Allah, then there is the Present (2nd Person) which is the Prophet Muhammad, and then there is the Absentee (3rd Person). Therefore Allah speaks to us through the prophet. Now the verse you mention “SURAH JONAH 10: 34” the verb and pronoun endings are all in the masculine singular which because of its seriousness is addressed to us through the Prophet.
    4. THERE IS A REASON FOR THE REVELATION OF ALL VERSES IN THE QUR’AN: The reason for the revelation of this verse was because of the pagan Mecans who were not acquainted with the nature of revelation and doubted in the Prophetic Ministry of Muhammad (p) so they were told by Allah to ask the people of the book (Jews and Christians) about this nature (of revelation) then to make a comparison to what the Prophet is telling them—namely there is only ONE GOD. You see this is confirmed by the ending clause of the verse which says: ‘Indeed the truth (haqq) has come to you from your Lord so be not of those who doubt.

    Again in you have don’t grave injustice to the Book of Allah with the meaning you gave SURA 4: 136]. Firstly Allah says: “Ya ayualadina Aminoo” (Oh you who believe) which is a phrase that gives the meaning of attention! And it is always followed by an order. In this verse Allah did not say to READ, but to BELIEVE (Aminoo) in Him and His Messenger (Muhammad) and the Book (Qur’an) which has been revealed unto him and the Books (Torah, Gospels, Psalms etc) which were revealed before the Qur’an. However those books are not what you have in what you call the present day Bible as its full of contradictions and follies, but the Original Books revealed to the Prophets in their language in their time.

    Allah says: And We have not sent any Messenger but with the Language of his people so he may clearly explain to them Our Commands. [Qur’an 14: 4]
    Elsewhere Allah has said: “Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say:”This is from Allah,” to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby. [Qur’an: 2: 79]

    Now here is some proofs to what Allah has mentioned: Exodus 12:12-13:
    “On that same night I will pass through Egypt and strike down every firstborn – both men and animals – and I will bring judgment on all the gods of Egypt. I am the Lord. The blood will be a sign for you on the houses where you are; and when I see the blood, I will pass over you. No destructive plague will touch you when I strike Egypt.”

    Is it appropriate to say that God was so ignorant that He could not distinguish the children of Israel from the pagan Egyptians to the extent that He had to have blood put over their dwellings as a token for not mistaking them when He passed with the plague?

    Now listen to the testimony of you own book (the Bible):
    ‘How can you say, “We are wise,
    for we have the law of the LORD,”
    when actually the lying pen of the scribes
    has handled it falsely? [Jeremiah 8: 8]

    Now in SURAH 5: 65-66 the addressee are the Jews and the Christians. Allah says:
    “If only they had stood fast by the Law, the Gospel, and that which was sent to them from their Lord, they would have enjoyed happiness from every side. There is from among them a party on the right course: but many of them follow a course that is evil.”
    And to you my friend you should know that what is meant by “and that which was sent to them from their Lord” in the Noble verse means the Qur’an

    Now respected friend, because of lack of time I an unable to continue this noble treatise but rest assured that I will continue a little latter. But before I let you go I must advise you to be careful with the Qur’an unless you be destroyed

  15. disciple of JESUS CHRIST
    October 16, 2010

    @ANTI-GOD: Psalm 53:1
    The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good

  16. disciple of JESUS CHRIST
    October 16, 2010

    @voompeh:
    John 8:45-47 (King James Version) Jesus said,
    45And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

    46Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?

    47He that is of God heareth God’s words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

    Jesus the Son of God is HOLY HOLY HOLY! Therefore He has NO sin. Jesus is my Lord and my God. He became sin on the cross so WHOSOEVER accept Him as his Lord and Saviour can become the RIGHTEOUSNESS of GOD in Christ Jesus!

    2 Corinthians 5:21
    For he(GOD the Father) hath made him(Jesus) to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

    Romans 3:23
    For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

    The reason why Jesus died for the world you and I included!

    1 John 2:2
    And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

    1 John 1:8
    If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

    1 John 3:6
    Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

    There is only one tempter the Devil also called Satan! the Father of lies!

    John 6:68-69
    68Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.
    69And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.

    Matthew 16:16-17
    16And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

    17And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

    Matthew 28:19

    19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.

    Mark 1:1
    Mark 1
    1The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
    Luke 2:11
    11For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.

    Luke 4:41
    41And devils also came out of many, crying out, and saying, Thou art Christ the Son of God. And he rebuking them suffered them not to speak: for they knew that he was Christ.

    Luke 9:20
    20He said unto them, But whom say ye that I am? Peter answering said, The Christ of God.

    Luke 24:46
    46And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

    John 4:42
    42And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.

    John 20:31
    31But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

    John 10:36
    36Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

    1 John 2:22
    22Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

    1 John 4:3
    3And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

    2 John 1:7
    7For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

  17. Concerned Citizen
    October 16, 2010

    Its difficult for a Muslim to be converted because of the many barriers significantly this one:
    The ultimate penalty–As reported by Ibn Warraq, “It is quite clear that under Islamic law, an apostate must be put to death. . . . If [even] a pubescent boy apostatizes, he is imprisoned until he comes of age, when if he persists in rejecting Islam, he must be put to death.” Ibn Warraq, “Apostasy and Human Rights”, Free Inquiry, February/March 2006, vol 26 No. 2..
    To those who believe that there are contradictions look into ourselves examine ourselves and we will see who is really a contradiction. To the unbelievers scripture is nonsense. It has helped me although i fall short miserably everyday to put some semblance of order in my life, to my family, to friends enemies etc. If i do not believe something i will fall for everything and anything there will be no reason (Pluralism). the removal of morality of biblical will lead me to have no shame. Show me a society without shame and i will show you a society that is headed for disaster. To my Muslim brothers peace and love. To those who do not believe, God does not fail us we fail ourselves. Amen

  18. Lizavier4Jesus
    October 16, 2010

    @Muslim_Always:

    It is not Concerned Citizen who did not address the article in question; it is you who did not understand the nature of his/her comments. I am saying it again, that he/she presented a debate with strong points.

    My observation is that Concerned Citizen first of all, admitted that he/she did not know it all, but was searching for the Truth. I wish that he/she would continue in his/her present faith, and not turn to you and your counterparts who would further confuse his/her mind.

    The strength of that person’s comments is that he/she was able to use the Scriptures to confound or to expose the rubbish that is written in the above article.

    He/she wrote: Simple “commons sense” cannot produce any positive form of reasoning pertaining to the attributes of God Almighty which are Spirit, Holiness, Truth, and Love. “Common sense” to my understanding means the wisdom, understanding, and philosophy of the human mind, which is carnal and corrupt because of its control of the flesh.

    You and your Islam counterparts do not know that, that is the nature by which you speak or advocate whatever it is that you are trying to speak or advocate. That is the reason you refuse to “shut up!” You are just lucky that God’s Love in His Person of Jesus Christ, causes Him to protect you from the wrath of His Holiness, otherwise you would learn how “to be still and know who God is” by His authority and power in Person of Jesus Christ.

    Concerned Citizen also wrote: “the foolishness of God is wiser than the wisdom of men.” 1st Corinthians 1: 25 Also, “neither does corruption inherit in-corruption.” 1st. Corinthians 15: 50 What you do not understand is those two verses along with the other verses quoted in his/her comment were geared to rebuke the rubbish written in the above article. That is the reason you are not able to perceive the strength of that debate, for you do not understand what the scriptures are saying.

    Please spare me of your insults of God’s Holy Spirit, regarding you being a Christian and your thing about being born again. I always wonder what people like claim to be born again of; but it is a good thing that you did not mention being born again of the Spirit of God. For you clearly reveal that, that is not what happened.

    I do not know what you and your counterparts hope to achieve by continuing with those blogs to a majority of people whose existence was founded in the teachings and Lifestyle of Christianity. But if you are searching for a kind of trophy or something like that, I am suggesting again, that you stick with your Muslim counterparts and your teaching of Islam. Perhaps, Mohamed is able to honor you, since you do not desire to be honored by Jesus Christ.

    As for me, I will continue to nurture the blessed gift of Eternal Life, which is my first and utmost reason to maintain faith in God Almighty, through His Person, Jesus Christ. To God be the glory.

  19. voompeh
    October 15, 2010

    @disciple of JESUS CHRIST: The new testament contradicts itself.It states that JC was taken up to be tempted by the spirit, whose spirit? The same book say in James 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, that he is tempted of Ellohim: for Ellohim cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man. 14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. 15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin, when it is finished, it bringeth forth death. Based on that, I can say that JC sin and died

  20. Concerned Citizen
    October 15, 2010

    Many Muslims do not know that the following assertions appear in the Koran:
    1. If you are in doubt about the truth, ask those who read the Scripture that came before you. KORAN SURAH JONAH 10:94
    2)To be a proper Muslim, one must read the Before Books (the Old and New Testaments).KORAN SURAH THE WOMAN 4:136
    3)Christians are humble and compassionate and know the truth when they hear it.KORAN SURAH THE TABLE SPREAD 5:82-83
    Those who observe the teaching of the Torah and the Gospels will go to heaven.KORAN SURAH THE TABLE SPREAD 5:65-66
    4)Mohammed states he is not the greatest prophet, he does not know what will happen to his followers (after death) and he is only a Warner.KORAN SURAH THE SANDHILLS 46:9
    5)Jesus knows the way to Allah.KORAN SURAH AL-IMRAN 3:42-55

  21. Muslim_Always
    October 15, 2010

    @Lady: Thank you lady, I do appreciate your honesty, feel free to research about islam. This book will help you. http://www.dartabligh.org/books/ebooks/basicbeliefs/basicbeliefs.pdf

  22. Wondering
    October 15, 2010

    @muslim always: Is it the wish of Allah to kill those who do not follow islamic faith? Are muslim extremists who wage war on the westerm world, killing innocent people following the command of allah? Just trying to make sense of the propaganda. I would appreciate a YES or NO, since I have seen these questions but nobody has gotten a straight answer.

  23. Lady
    October 15, 2010

    @muslim_ always: thats commendable that you are always teaching the muslim way despite the attacks. you must not take them personally, people are very emotional about religion. I am not a muslim neither do i understand their way because i have never read your holy book or even been exposed to the teaching, therefore i cannot make judgement. what i have heard about your faith is not pretty, but my source may not be objective. could you indicate how I can learn about your faith so that i can contribute, agree or disagree, accept or reject, or even argue contructiively?

  24. disciple of JESUS CHRIST
    October 15, 2010

    Matthew 4 (King James Version)

    Matthew 4
    1Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.

    2And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.

    3And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.

    4But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

    5Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,

    6And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.

    7Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

    8Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;

    9And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.

    10Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

    11Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.

  25. disciple of JESUS CHRIST
    October 15, 2010

    Matthew 4:1
    Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.

    Matthew 4:7
    Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

    Matthew 4:10
    Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

  26. disciple of JESUS CHRIST
    October 15, 2010

    Matthew 4:4
    Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.’ ”

    Matthew 4:7
    Jesus answered him, “It is also written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’ ”

    Matthew 4:10
    Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’ “

  27. Muslim_Always
    October 15, 2010

    @Concerned Citizen: Thank you for acknowledging that your understanding is limited. It is even limited even in your comments. You posted many verses which prophescy the coming of the messiah which we acknowledge. In fact we believe in the messiah peace be upon him. What you don’t understand is that God does not have a biological or literal son. Son of God means servant of God which was proved in the article. Also, the Holy Quran and the bible prove that the messiah was a prophet or messenger of God. Lastly, you mentioned that according to the Islamic perspective the messiah uttered blasphemy, not at all, it is the christians which originated from the teachings of Paul blasphemed against the messiah (p). Also, Christ (p) said in your scriptures that he is a prophet. However, you fail to see this because you have not read the article thoroughly. As far as you are concerned your follow blindly. This is what happens when the blind leads the blind, they will fall into a ditch.

  28. Concerned Citizen
    October 15, 2010

    As i mentioned earlier my understanding is limited i can hardly understand 2 dimension much less for 3 and more.
    1. A male child, a son (Gen. 3:15; Isa. 9:6)
    2. A child born in the line of Shem, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Judah, Jesse, David, and Solomon.
    3. A physical descendant of David and legal heir to the throne through Solomon, yet not a physical descendant through Jeconiah.
    4. A child born of a virgin in circumstances which validate the fact of a virgin birth as seen in Matthew 1 and Luke 1.
    5. A descendent of David, son of Jesse, but not until the tenth generation after Perez.
    6. Born around 4 A.D. in accordance with the prophecy of Daniel 9:24f.
    7. One who would be preceded by a forerunner who would prepare the way as did John the Baptist (Mal. 3:1; Mark 1:1-4).
    8. Born in Bethlehem of Judea (Mic. 5:2).
    9. Born of circumstances that would identify Him as the Savior and the Star of David, the long-awaited Deliver (Luke 2:9-14; Num. 24:17; Matt. 2:1-9).
    10. One whose life would also fulfill the many other Old Testament prophecies regarding Messiah.
    here are some claims from Christ Himself
    Mathew 9:4-6 Jesus claims to forgive sins.Mathew 10:32,12-lord of the sabath,16:21,20:17-19 prediction of his death. Then the pharisees doubted him and he gave a response in mathew 22:41-46
    From a Muslim perspective Christ is preaching blasphemy. He cannot be a prophet. From a muslim perspective the bible ends at Malachi 5:5.

  29. Muslim_Always
    October 15, 2010

    @omowale: Subhanallah what a splendid exposition. All praises be to Allah.

  30. omowale
    October 15, 2010

    @pwelly: can you prove it

  31. voompeh
    October 15, 2010

    Are people really saying that the creator broke his own law of Deut 22:22-27 and did an evil thing?
    23 If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man finds her in the city and lie with her;
    24 Then you shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and stone them with stones that they die;
    Mary according to the new testament was betrothed to Joseph, and why would he do something he decreed an evil,come on people, moreover he said no one shall be put to death for anyone, everyone shall be put to death for their own sin.Deut 24:16, Eze 14:13-20, Eze 18:20 The soul that sineth it shall die.The son shall no bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. So if people looking for a free pass think again. The creator said that he hate the wicked so why would he take ( according to the new testament) a perfect and righteous man to die for the wicked and say its a sacrifice. Does anyone see a sacrifice in 2Chron 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves , and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their SIN, and will heal their land. Notice he did not say, and seek my son. Isaiah 45:22 Look unto me and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am Ellohim, and there is none else. Isaiah 45:5 I am Yahweh, and their is none else, their is no ellohim besides me; I girded thee, though thou has not known me:

  32. Muslim_Always
    October 15, 2010

    @migrated Dominican: I ask my friend. Was Mary the mother of Jesus? Secondly, could you at least provide evidence where Mary (p) has ever prayed to the messiah? Thank you so much.

  33. Muslim_Always
    October 15, 2010

    @Lizavier4Jesus: How could concerned citizen have a debate or a strong point? He has not addressed the article in question. I was a christian, left it now I’ve embraced the truth. I was christian to the bone, born again and everything but I’ve come to realise that the basis of christianity which is the death and resurrection of Jesus (p) is utter falsehood and satanic suggestions. The reports regarding the supposed crucifixion are very contradictory. There are strong verses in the bible that suggests that Jesus did not die on the cross or stake.

  34. Muslim_Always
    October 14, 2010

    @reference: What a series of gross ignorant statements you have made this evening. You said that the holy prophet peace be upon him (p) married Aiesha the mother of the believers when she was nine. We the followers of the prophet Muhammad the seal of the prophets and his purified household know for sure that you have concoted a lie against the best of mankind. It is recorded in our traditions that he married her when she reached the age of puberty and she was in her teens. It was known throughout the world at that time to perform ‘young’ marriages as women were more responsible and lived simple lives.

    Secondly, you said that the prophet Muhammad was a rapist and a pervert. I’ll refute your wicked statements with pure and clear words from the Holy Quran. Chapter 68:4 says: And surely you have sublime morals. Also chapter 33:21: You have indeed in the messenger of Allah an excellent example for him who hopes in Allah and the final day and who remember Allah much. Thus we see very clearly that the prophet Muhammad was the greatest character that ever walked the face of the earth.

    Does the Holy Quran teaches one to kill christians indiscriminately? Let the Holy Quran speak for itself. In chapter 5:82 ‘Strongest among (not everyone) men in enmity to the believers will you find the jews and pagans and nearest among them in love to the believers will those who say “We are christians,” because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant. Secondly, the Holy Quran teaches in chapter 5:5 that it is permissible for a muslim to marry a christian woman. These verses and many more exposes your lies and ignorance.

    Jesus has no mother? You are the first christian I’ve ever heard saying this. Your statement reflects your ignorance about your religion. Matthew 1:21in King James Version tells you: ‘And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS; for he shall save his people from their sins.’ My friend your statements reflect a very spiritually pitiful situation. May Allah guide you to at least begin to open your mind. Please admit you were wrong after manifest proofs were reflected thus He will forgive you and guide you to truth my friend.

  35. omowale
    October 14, 2010

    Dear concerned citizen you have raised some arguments in your objection to Muslim_Always which in my opinion were not mainly geared towards the article he posted but, towards Muhammad the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessing be upon him and his purified household) the Seal of the Prophets and the completion of the number of envoys. For this reason it is imperative that I respond to you. However, before I endeavor to clear up these misconceptions which have weighed you down I wish let you know that the proper way to understand God is through His manifestations. His wisdom and power are manifested over the entire creation because of their subservience to Him, but He is not seen so it is understood that He is unseen from his very existence, and by the dissimilarities of various species it is understood that nothing is similar to Him. God also manifests Himself through revelation; (through one of His Messengers) thereby He may teach man of Himself. We say that this book is the Qur’an, but for the sake of brevity and fear of swaying away from the subject under discussion we shall keep away from proving its authenticity and inimitability. God willing we may in another discussion
    Now you should know that our belief about all the Prophets and Messengers of God is that they are all pure and only act by the Command of God, therefore they (The Messengers) are under divine protection… Allah mentions this fact in the Qur’an that Iblis (Lucifer) would be able to mislead all but His purified servants:
    “He Iblis said: “ My Lord because Thou hast left me to stray, certainly will I adorn unto them the path of error, and certainly will I cause them all to go astray, save Thy (devoted) servants, of the purified ones.” “Said He (Allah): This is the right way unto Me.” [Qur’an: 15: 39-41]
    Therefore we (Muslims) have nothing bad to say about the Messiah son of Mary (peace be upon him), for he is one of the Messengers and righteous Servants of Allah. Allah says about Jesus and his purified mother in the Qur’an:
    “…We breathed into her Our spirit, and We made her and her son a sign unto all peoples.” [Qur’an: 21:91]
    However, you have formulated a grave misconception about the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him and his purified household) and I am wise enough to know that these sayings were not your original ideas but, were borrowed from the enemy, therefore I excuse you respected reader.
    Let it be known to you concerned reader that the sayings about our Master Muhammad Mustafa (May my soul be his ransom) had violent encounters with the angels are all Christian concoctions. It is well known that after the death of the Prophet (p) the oppressive Umayyad Ruler Mu’awiyah (who is the descendant of a Roman Christian named Umayyah) used to bid his Christian cousins to fabricate reports about Muhammad (p) in the Masjid in Medina and if you should scrutinize these reports you will see that they are identical to Christian belief and not Muslims. To prove this I will quote a passage from the Qur’an which describes the relationship between the Angel Gabriel (peace be upon him) and Allah’s Messenger Muhammad the Chosen (peace be upon him and his pure household)
    THE ANGEL AND MUHAMMAD (P) IN THE QUR’AN:
    He was taught by one Mighty in Power,
    Endued with Wisdom: for he appeared (in stately form);
    While he was in the highest part of the horizon:
    Then he approached and came closer,
    And was at a distance of but two bow-lengths or (even) nearer;
    So did (Allah) convey the inspiration to His Servant- (conveyed) what He (meant) to convey.
    The (Prophet’s) (mind and) heart in no way falsified that which he saw.
    Will ye then dispute with him concerning what he saw?
    For indeed he saw him at a second descent,
    Near the Lote-tree beyond which none may pass:
    Near it is the Garden of Abode.
    Behold, the Lote-tree was shrouded (in mystery unspeakable!)
    (His) sight never swerved, nor did it go wrong!
    For truly did he see, of the Signs of his Lord, the Greatest! [Qur’an: 53: 5-18]
    May I ask was there any violent encounter? Now ponder over this passage in the Bible:
    THE BIBLE: GOD WRESTLED WITH MAN
    And Jacob was left alone; and there wrestled a man with him until the breaking of the day.
    25And when he saw that he prevailed not against him, he touched the hollow of his thigh; and the hollow of Jacob’s thigh was out of joint, as he wrestled with him.
    26And he said, Let me go, for the day breaketh. And he said, I will not let thee go, except thou bless me.
    27And he said unto him, What is thy name? And he said, Jacob.
    28And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.
    29And Jacob asked him, and said, Tell me, I pray thee, thy name. And he said, Wherefore is it that thou dost ask after my name? And he blessed him there.
    30And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved. [Genesis 32: 24-30]
    Now do you understand where these stories come from?
    You should also know my dear friend that the Islam makes no distinctions between the righteous servants of Allah because the fundamental aspect of their mission was to teach the people not to believe in the multiple of deities. Allah says in the Qur’an:
    The Messenger believeth in what hath been revealed to him from his Lord, as do the men of faith. Each one (of them) believeth in Allah, His angels, His books, and His messengers. “We make no distinction (they say) between one and another of His messengers.” And they say: “We hear, and we obey: (We seek) Thy forgiveness, our Lord, and to Thee is the end of all journeys.” [Qur’an: 2: 285]
    For We assuredly sent amongst every People a messenger, (with the Command), “Serve Allah (only) and shun (the worship of every kind of) deity”: of the People were some whom Allah guided, and some on whom error became inevitably (established). So travel through the earth, and see what was the end of those who denied (the Truth). [Qur’an: 16:36]
    However, some of them were raised in ranks according to their mission. Allah the Majestic says:
    Those messengers We endowed with gifts, some above others: To one of them Allah spoke; others He raised to degrees (of honor); to Jesus the son of Mary We gave clear (Signs), and strengthened him with the holy spirit… [Qur’an: 2: 253]
    And about the Prophet Muhammad Allah has said:
    Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger of Allah, and the Seal of the Prophets: and Allah has full knowledge of all things [Qur’an: 33:40]
    Therefore, as Muhammad (p) was the seal of the Prophets his message had to be complete and universal to instruct the human being in all walks of life which includes marriage. Allah said about Him:
    We sent thee not, but as a Mercy for all of mankind [Qur’an: 21: 107]
    On the other hand Jesus (p) was sent only to the Children of Israel and his mission was to revive the Torah which the people had abandoned. We read in the Bible:
    … I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. [Matthew: 15: 24]
    Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. [Matthew: 5: 17]
    One of your claims oh concerned reader is that Muhammad (p) violently killed to give to the poor. If that was true he would have strong political and economical agendas, like your Christian brethren throughout times. Haven’t you pondered over the crusades; the Christians who invaded India and raped the people of their resources until Mahatma Gandhi expelled them using the very same method of Jesus; also like the Christians who degenerated the African Continent through the era of the Atlantic slave trade; most likely he would be like the European Christians who caused the genocide on the Indian People in North America; but most importantly he would be like the today’s Christians who invade Sovereign Countries to rape them out of their recourses. My dear you can’t trace any such characteristics to Muhammad (p) because all his battles were fought in self defense, therefore he was never the initiator or aggressor. With this said, it would be safe to conclude that if no one attacked him he would never have to fight back.
    In Chapter 9 of the Qur’an a command is given to the Prophet to declare immunity to the polytheist who broke their covenants and were hostile towards the Muslim State, however it allows peaceful co-existence to those who don’t break there covenants, so it could be concluded that the chapter has serious guiding factors towards military warfare that would prevent transgressing the limits set by Allah. Now, I would like you to reconcile this with these passages in the Bible:
    “Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man” [Numbers: 31: 17]
    “At that time we took all his towns and completely destroyed the men, women and children.” [Deuteronomy 2: 34]
    Permit me to ask my dear reader. Aren’t these actions oppressive? Would you justify the killing of women and children? Off course we are not of the opinion that God would ever give the command to carry-out such heinous acts. What we say is this is not the word of God.
    SOME ORDER OF OPPORATIONS AND RULES OF ISLAMIC WARFARE:
    1. It is not permissible to be the aggressor or initiate a fight
    2. Fight must be in self-defense
    3. No killing of women, the elderly or children.
    4. No destroying of land, water, or property (if it can be avoided)
    5. No killing of prisoners of war
    6. No destroying of Synagogues, Churches, Mosques or places of worship
    7. It is not permissible kill a Rabi, Priest, Pastor, Preacher, Imam Etc.
    My respected friend Jesus (p) also taught something similar:
    Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. [Luke: 22: 36]
    I must also correct the statements you made about the Prophet’s wives. You claimed that Aisha was the most loved by him. Well she was not, that wife was khadijah. Khadijah was the first person to believe in his ministry; she gave all her property for sake of Islam; she was the only one to bear him children; and she died in his arms when the pagans from Mecca boycotted the Prophet (p) and his followers. The year that ‘Khadijah’ died is called ‘year of grief’ because the Prophet had never lamented of an affair as he did over Khadijah death.
    You are correct that the Messenger of Allah had 13 wives and there is no limit to the amount of wives he could have while we could only have 4 under applicable conditions, but why? It is because the Prophet’s exceptional qualities, mannerisms, and not to mention tranquility and high psychological perfections surpasses that of all human beings. Let’s not forget you believe that King Solomon (peace be upon him) had about 500 wives yet he was the wisest of men, therefore you should also conclude that it is also wise to have more than one wife. This is also pragmatic (practical) in a society where women outnumber men 5-1 and the beauty of women attracts, also man is naturally inclined towards more than one woman. This is undisputed as it has been the case in all eras of human existence and our Dominican Society is not an exception, as it is a fact that most men have barrage of women, even our trusted religious leaders. Now tell me, what is a Koboss? Isn’t it a term used for the other woman? It’s sure isn’t an Islamic term now isn’t it? The reality of this matter is that most of the people in the land (Dominica) are living promiscuous lives because they are either committing adultery or continue living as bachelors. Now do you see the wisdom in multiple wives?
    In closing your meaning of the Prophet Muhammad (p) marrying Aisha at 9 when he was 50 is unclear and I also would like to shed some light on the matter. If I were you the age differential is something I would not be concerned about as all over the world people of different age groups fall in love-man and woman alike, but what I would like you and the Dominican audience to ponder over and comprehend is the meaning of puberty, consent and the condition of marriage and is consummation in Islam.
    THE UNDERSTANDING OF PUBERTY CONSENT AND THE CONDITION OF MARRIAGE AND ITS COMSUMMATION IN ISLAM.
    1. You should know that the age of puberty in Islamic Law for boys is at the age of 15 or when he ejaculates in a night dream
    2. For girls it is at the age of 9 or when she starts her menstrual cycle *note: it is an established fact that the female children enter the age of puberty before the males.
    3. The consent of the marriage has to be accepted by the father and the woman, or the father could asked someone to take his daughter’s hand in marriage, and this was the case of the Prophet Muhammad (p) and Aisha-her father Abu Bakr was the one who initiated the marriage and she was pleased.
    4. The age of puberty is not the only condition for a marriage in Islam and its consummation, but also mental maturity. In the case of the prophet Muhammad (p) and Aisha some reports say that he married her at 9 while some say at 11, but is it anonymous that he consummated the marriage at 13.
    Oh my God how many 13 year old unmarried and sexually active girls do we have in Dominica?
    “Oh Almighty Allah, all praise be to Thee in the highest! You and only you are the Originator of the heavens and the Earth and all what is in between them. An origination that came into being without a model or sketch from another, that is because nothing precedes Thy eternity. There is no cessation to Thy dominion and no interruption to Thy term; no one shares Thy Kingdom and there is none to succeed Thee as Thou and only Thou are Everlasting without end! There is no partner for Thee in divinity and no support for The in Unity. You are only ONE!- Absolute Oneness with no second or a composite of different parts-the only Being Existing by Himself comprising all attributes of perfection. So guide us oh Lord, by the Sublimity and Affection bless Muhammad and his household and show us the way to Thy Inviolability.”

  36. Muslim_Always
    October 14, 2010

    @OPEN MINDED: Thank you my friend, most of them are not even addressing the article posted. Their mumblings are a series of emotional responses. We expect this reaction from them however, with Allah’s will more people will come to understand about islam. There has been an islamic radio programme for some years now yet, the reaction towards islam still amazes me.

  37. Muslim_Always
    October 14, 2010

    @pwelly: And the bible is a holy book? Have you studied the Holy Quran? Have you even read it?

  38. Lizavier4Jesus
    October 14, 2010

    @Concerned Citizen:

    You have a very strong debate. And I am very glad to read that you were an atheist, but you came to believe in God by faith. You do sound as if you know Jesus Christ, otherwise you would not have been able to understand those scriptures that you quoted in your post. May God’s Holy Spirit continue to teach you. I give praise to God in the Person of Jesus Christ on your behalf.

    I only need to re-quote one of your quotes from the Scriptures so that those who do not know it will understand better. I know what you wanted to say; so I will quote the whole verse for the benefit of those who want to learn.

    It is the apostle Paul speaking to some of the Church of Corinth, who does not believe in the resurrection. So at that point Paul says: “Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit in-corruption” 1st. Corinthians 15: 50

    It is unfortunate that many of us, Christians, are ignoring the warning of Jesus Christ; to strive to encounter the birth of the Spirit by the faith in God Almighty through Jesus Christ. Otherwise those people and their other beliefs would not feel that they can bombard out Online News Site, with all of their rubbish; we would be able to send them to their own places, by the confounding of God’s Holy Spirit through us.

    The apostle Paul talks about the first and last Adam as he says: “The first Adam became a living being. The last Adam became a Life-giving-Spirit”. 1st. Corinthians 15 45 The last Adam that Paul refers to is Jesus Christ, who said about Himself: “I am the Way, the Life and the Truth. No one can come to the Father, but by Me” John 14: 6

    I really do not understand why a person or persons who follows and accept the teachings of a human being just like themselves, should claim that they know and understand the things of God, who is Holy and of Spirit. That is just foolish pride and haughtiness fed to them by Satan.

  39. OPEN MINDED
    October 14, 2010

    I really do like this presentation- very informative and quite rational. I am not surprised at the reaction of so many people because too many of us are brain washed. I strongly suggest that we start thinking for ourselves. Soo many people read the bible and don’t really understand the bible and it’s origin. In order to get people to fully understand that the bible is really much more than what Christianity teaches people need to be exposed to alternate source of information. However people must be willing to read alternate sources of information without reservations or biases. No one is asking you to abandon your faith- just open up your minds.
    I’ve read the bible as a Christian and I’ve read the bible from intellectual perspective. From an intellectual perspective the bible is very contradicting; I also understand that the very many text in the bible was written to suite certain era and even culture. Jesus was a public figure and I sometimes refer to him as a social activist. Jesus spoke of the goodness of god and the need to serve god. Jesus also spoke out against the political and religious leaders – note that religious and politics were one of a kind.

  40. migrated Dominican
    October 14, 2010

    If you read the bible carefully you will see god Jesus Yahsua Yahweh Jahovah all means the same different language Hebrew English etc, but the bible says there is no other name under heaven given among men whereby we must be saved is the name of JESUS so your prayers will only be answered when you call and acknowledge the name of Jesus,and yes Jesus is God manifested in the flesh so there is no three God in one but only one God the bible says it. Jesus said me and my father are ONE so i don’t know where the trinitarians get three Gods go read and understand his ONENESS there is only ONE throne in heaven not THREE.

  41. pwelly
    October 14, 2010

    please the quran is not a holy book

  42. Muslim_Always
    October 14, 2010

    @ANTI-GOD: Soon there will be a response to the agnostics and atheists God’s willing

  43. Gary
    October 14, 2010

    Dawoud Abdur-rahman Darroux (Sheldon) Why are you questioning the religious doctrine of Christianity with their concept of God and them trying to show Islam has the right answer and concept as to who God is that bewilders me. You made a statement in your closing remarks that many people do not understand Islam and that you are willing to enlighten them as to what Islam is. Well if you are going to enlightening people on the teachings of Islam you do not make your focus questioning another persons religion and their doctrine, that is not the way to enlighten people, telling them they are wrong and you are right.

    Your religion, like all other religions have flaws in their doctrines. No Major religion right now has the whole truth, and none can deliver the truth, the truth cannot not be found in any one religion, confusion is the trade make of religion and it has done a very good job in doing so, God has no religion. Religion is as helpful as throwing a drowning man both ends of a rope. “Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful.” Seneca

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  44. Muslim_Always
    October 14, 2010

    @Concerned Citizen: Yes, we cannot understand Allah in His ultimate reality, however, what he has sent prophets to teach us is logical, reasonable and has great spiritual insight. If you make that claim then you contradict scriptures in your bible in 2 Timothy 3:16 according to King James Version: All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness. If to understand about God is unattainable based on scriptural evidence then what sense does it make for Allah to send messengers? If we cannot understand about God through logic then scriptures are illogical, no wonder we have the separation between church and state. No wonder why many scientists were killed during the reign of christianity in Europe. No sir or miss, I beg to differ, what God has revealed about himself for instruction is clear as day, even a child can understand. We do not believe in blind faith, we must come to know and understand before we believe. How can one believe something illogical claiming one must have the spirit? This makes no sense.

    Secondly, you gave an emotional response rather than addressing the topic. It seems that persons after reading the article persons are unable to truly prove that Jesus or Yehsua is the son of the King of the universe.

    Thirdly, the Islamic community in Dominica will prove that the messiah did not die on the cross for the salvation of mankind.

    Fourthly let’s look at portions of your comment: ‘Lets compare the two men, Christ which you can read from Scripture and the prophet Muhammad. All Muhammad’s encounters with the angels were violent. He at age 25 married to a woman of 40. He violently killed to give to the poor. In Surah 9 he gave instructions in dealing with unbelievers and that is to subdue them. He married 13 wives, his favorite Aisha he married when she was 9 he was 50.’

    Firstly, the prophet’s encounters with angel Gabriel peace be upon him were never violent, that is far from the reality. He had a beautiful relationship based on tranquility and peace. If you claim that the angels were violent then you have insulted the very angels you are supposed to believe in. Secondly, if you read the history of Islam, the prophet, his family and companions endured for 13 years out of his 23 years persecution, torture and oppression by pagans. Still he used to shelter the orphans, visit the sick and comfort the oppressed. These proofs if you read islamic history from authentic sources will exposed the falsehood you have written.

    You spoke about surah 9 of the Holy Quran, it’s either you are unaware of the circumstances of revelation or you have read this from christian fanatics about islam. Have you read surah 2:256 which says that there is no compulsion in religion, truth is clear from falsehood? Do you know the reason Allah revealed this verse?

    Lastly, the prophet Muhammad married a 9 year old? This is far from the reality, you are reading about Islam from inauthentic sources.

  45. Muslim_Always
    October 14, 2010

    @FIRE: Thank you for your concern. Mary did not lie at all. The bible has not truly informed us about Mary peace be with her. If you read chapter 19 called Mary in the Holy Quran, you will read about the story about her and Jesus peace be onto him. If you want to know about Mary and her family Imran you may read chapter 3 of the Holy Quran.

  46. Gary
    October 14, 2010

    @scared name beliver:

    Your comment is classical and shows what religion does to the mind of man arguing about God and who has the right name for God and what God is, bearing in mind all this is based on each ones religion. very absurd, and laughable. What is it that makes you think you have the truth referring to Yahweh. What is all this confusion, Does this lead to the truth, no. The search for truth cannot be found in confusion, personal beliefs, religious indoctrination and religious dogma that is the last place to look for the truth. and finally whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of truth and knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods.

  47. reference
    October 14, 2010

    @Concerned Citizen: don’t forget he consummated the marriage with aisha at the age of 9. mohammed was a rapist, a perverted child molester who encourages muslim to kill christian. anyone who converts to christainity should be killed including your kids.teh koran states christian are the enemies.

    Jesus who is my lord and saviour born of a virgin preached LOVE LOVE LOVE and forgiveness. Jesus has no mother he is GOD he creatd mary. mary was just a medium jesus used to come to earth to die on the cross.

  48. ANTI-GOD
    October 14, 2010

    There is no god and it has no son

  49. Muslim_Always
    October 14, 2010

    @scared name beliver: My friend, this was addressing the general ‘christian’ audience. The writer addressed an audience who believe in the messiah by that name. It is clearly seen my friend your statements reflect that you are way out of the scope of the discussion.

  50. FIRE
    October 14, 2010

    YO,ARE YOU SAYING MARY LIED??????I DID NOT KNOW GOD HAD SO MANY BEGOTTON SONS. IS THERE ANY LIVING RELATIVE OF JESUS TO GET A DNA??? I WONDER,IF SOMEONE VERGIN DAUGHTER COME HOME FROM SCHOOL AND SAID SHE’S PREGNANT FOR GOD,WILL THE WHOLE NATION BOW DOWN TO HER, OR THE POLICE WILL BE CALLED IN??? WAS JOSEPH HER BOY FRIEND???? DO YOU KNOW THAT THE SPANISH CALL JESUS BABY GOD.THE TRUTH CAN MAKE THIS WORLD A LOVING PLACE.MORE QUESTIONS THAN ANSWERS YO.

  51. Concerned Citizen
    October 14, 2010

    Definitely you have raised questions that i have asked also as i when i was an atheist thank God now i believe. II will make it as short as possible, but i definitely will be writing you. First we cannot understand God with logic and Common sense, we are too filthy and it is written how the corruptible understand the incorruptibly?. God’s foolishness is wiser than man’s wisdom. Who was David referring to when he said the lord said to my lord sit at my right side until i make your enemies a footstool of your feet?. Psalms 22 also talks exclusively of the the one who would have died for our transgressions. Lets compare the two men, Christ which you can read from Scripture and the prophet Muhammad. All Muhammad’s encounters with the angels were violent. He at age 25 married to a woman of 40. He violently killed to give to the poor. In Surah 9 he gave instructions in dealing with unbelievers and that is to subdue them. He married 13 wives, his favorite Aisha he married when she was 9 he was 50.
    I will definitely write you and we will continue the discussion in answering the areas that you mentioned.

  52. Lizavier4Jesus
    October 14, 2010

    Well who is foolish enough to think that they need to know anything from you? You think that you know about God, because you quote a few verses.of your choice from the Bible, but you have no understanding of the verses you are trying to use to support your argument.

    If you want to explain who Jesus is to us, who are Christians, and since you think that you can use the teachings of the Bible to support your argument, tell us what did God mean when He said “Let there be Light” Genesis 1.
    Tell us what He meant when He told Satan that “the seed of woman will destroy you.” Genesis 3

    Tell us what the apostle John mean when he spoke about Jesus, saying: “In Him there was Life, and the Life was the Light of men”. John 1

    Jesus said about Himself: “I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life” “I am the Vine” I am the Bread of Life” “You must eat my flesh and drink my blood in other that you will have Life in you” I could go on and on. But what do you say, those things are not in the Bible, but you quoted is in there? And why a normal man take so much credit away from the One True God. But Jesus did not actually do as He claimed “I am in the Father and the Father is in Me” and without the authority of the Father who is in Me, I would not do anything of myself. Or are you saying that Jesus did not do any great wonders while He was on earth.

    Do you realize that you would have to delete the whole teachings of the Holy Bible in order to transform the rubbish you have written into something sensible? But then again who would give you the right to do that.

    Why do you think that you can explain the teachings of the Holy Bible without the wisdom and revelation of God’s Holy Spirit. You convey no message of God to me or any person who is born of the Spirit because you speak through human mind and philosophy. That is the difference between Solomon and Jesus. Jesus maintained the mind of Spirit and Truth–the mind of God, Eternal Spirit, which no human being can do, even if he/she is filled with God’s Holy Spirit.

    That which born of flesh is flesh and that which is born of Spirit is spirit. You must be born again of Spirit and Truth before you will be able to discern and define the things of the Spirit. If you cannot speak about God’s Holy Spirit, you cannot explain or interpret anything from the Word of God.

    Christians get to know that Jesus is the Son of God in the flesh, but He maintained the conducts and attitude of Christ, Eternal Spirit, the Person of Love in Him, And He functioned with the authority of Almighty God. I received and know this Truth by faith, not by fleshly feelings.

    God is of Spirit and He manifest Himself to those who know Him in Spirit and Truth. Tightness of the chess has nothing to do with God’s manifestation; right then and there you are talking the rubbish that Satan is feeding to you, as he makes you think that you have the duty to convey some form of message.

    It would do you better to conveyed your message of Islam to your Muslim counterparts. and to leave us Christians alone with our God, in the Person of Jesus Christ.

  53. Muslim_Always
    October 14, 2010

    @Nonesense: Sorry it’s not *disprove* distort.

  54. Muslim_Always
    October 14, 2010

    @Nonesense: Could you kindly show me how I’ve disproved it please. Thanks

  55. scared name beliver
    October 14, 2010

    Sir, that is pure garbage you need to start educating your congregation about the truth, and stop spreading false teaching, cause there is no salvation in Jesus nor God, no Lord , Christ , but alone is Yahweh through his son Yahsua the messiah. so please stop spread your nonsense instead do some research and start spreading the word of Yahweh who is real instead of an idol which is god,

  56. Nonesense
    October 14, 2010

    Sir, please try to understand Christian teaching before you distort it. You seem to know the truth… but your real intention I think is soo distructive. Are you going to ignore the entire bible and select a few verves you THINK supports your case? ridiculous.

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