The Island Fun Tours, a tour company in Dominica, has partnered with RVR Aviation (Carrier) and Resort Air Services (DOT 380), a leading Jet Charter company from Fort Worth, Texas, to launch a brand new Jet Charter service from Fort Lauderdale, Florida to Douglas Charles Airport, Dominica.
The services are scheduled to begin June 2, 2016 offering, for the first time, non-stop charter flights from Ft. Lauderdale, FL. and Dominica, several times a week.
The nonstop flights will be able to offer consistent service at reasonable fares, and red carpet service, allowing passengers to travel to and from Dominica in less than 4 hours while assuring that passengers and luggage will arrive together.
The schedule should be released next week.
RVR jet charter service will add huge opportunities for travel plans, increased scheduling options, and provide growth within the Dominica travel industry. The jet service will provide Dominica with nonstop service, monitor passenger load requirements and adding flights as needed to support Dominica’s travel needs.
The program will work very closely with all officials in Dominica, the Tourist Ministry, as well as business groups and locals, to assist with specialized needs and services, while allowing RVR flights, pricing, and packages to target the needs of these passengers.
Wonderful in-flight services and a red carpet customs program will be part of the services. We are honored to partner with Resort Air Services and RVR Aviation, who has been awarded the Platinum Rated Argus Award for the highest safety record in the industry and ISBAO rating.
Tickets for flights and updated information will be available very soon and Resort Air Services will begin to book seats for the new jet charter service.
The Island Fun Tours will be the agent in Dominica; and there will be an online purchase program, local ticketing centers, and many incentive deals and packages throughout the year.
A test flight of the new jet charter flight landed at Douglas Charles Airport on Friday.
President of Island Fun Tours is Blair Webb.
Does anyone know where I can contact Blair Webb? Please post below. Thanks.
As an American who absolutely loves Dominica, and used to fly down for vacation every year– I have not visited in ten years because there are no direct flights and I have to overnight in Puerto Rick BOTH ways! This doesn’t just add 4 days of travel to a vacation, but paying the baggage fees twice plus two nights in a hotel in Puerto Rico. With a family of four it just becomes ridiculously expensive. So it’s so much easier and less expensive to just go on vacation elsewhere. Lack of decent air service from the eastern USA is holding Dominica back. Tourism (real tourism, not cruise ships) bring money to the economy. If this charter works out, I would definitely look into using it to get to Dominica!
I will describe this with only ONE word: UTTER DIASPORATORIATAH for BI-ELECTION.
Wait! That’s like FOUR words.
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On a positive view, it is a start, to give you skeptical and negative Dominicans the opportunity to build your confidence in this airline.
No wonder that country so f*ed up. The number of negative remarks from this article. I would have sworn residents complained about access to the country. Now there is a new option, and people are not content about it or encouraging. SMH. Alas.
This would be a good idea if it was a commercial airliner, but it’s a charter jet. Personally, I’m not too comfortable with this gesture. It’ll also be all good if the fare is right, reliability, and safety.
Looks like Dominicans will have to eat their own vomit and GO BACK TO LIAT. Do what all you want LIAT is always there for these ungrateful people.
Why don’t we go to American Eagle to do flights MIA/DOM instead?
Lies Lies & MoRe Lies
What a laugh, a 30-seat jet — why bother. Last Christmas coming into Dominica there were eight passengers, on return there were four. I wonder why?
Honestly, we don’t need charter flights from Dominica to Florida. This kind of thing should work with the PMH for emergency purposes. So probably, the Government, (and I am not calling names here), is setting up an emergency air ambulance.
Dominica cannot survive on charter jets to Florida. Dominicans don’t travel to the states that often. We travel to nearby Caribbean islands and when we decide to go further then we go on to the States. Come on, I am not saying its a bad initiative to introduce the airline, but from DOM to FL, and on charter? this sounds fishy.
@DomiChina, they didn’t say it’s a charter jet from Dominica to Florida. On the contrary, the flights would be from FLORIDA to DOMINICA. Of course, not many people travel out of Dominica, according to you; however, people DO travel from Florida and other parts of the States into Dominica. A WISE decision would be to engage other airlines as opposed to a CHARTER JET. THAT IS QUESTIONABLE.
I say to all this ” LET`S WAIT AND SEE” Blair Webb is not the most trust worthy business according to all reports
best of luck…
Dominicans are special creatures. They fall for almost anything, while life passes them by. So sad and pitiful. Them fellas organization their transportation for the 2…yes 2 upcoming bi-elections and see those zeh zeh congratulating the same Webb who launched a previous airline that never materialized….lol. Sometimes I does be shame to say I am Dominica. How can people be so docile? How?
@Good To Go – You should NEVER be ashamed to say you’re Dominican. Yes, almost everything is said and done without CAREFUL thought, but that don’t remove you from the equation, unless you’re really NOT Dominican. I am proud to say I am Dominican. I’m not involved in the ignorance, but we are who we are.
Given the well known record of mr. Webb, and past fiasco with CIT I am very concerned that our government appears to have gone ahead promoting this new venture without reservation. Are they oblivious, out of touch or simply not concerned. Does the minister of tourism not know anything about mr. Webb’s track record? It says a lot about the credibility of their due diligence procedures.
Look out for Blair. He has been hopping around FLL trying to get something off the ground for the last 2 years. Jet charter services are not cheap and you have to fill the seats otherwise this will be a short lived adventure. If it even takes off.
They Fool me once, s
hame on them. They Fool me twice, shame on them. Fooling me thrice, shame on me.
Is this the “Air Dominica” one of the calypsonians sang about earlier this year? well that’s the case, air Dominica is going to no where. Who is the pilot? Please don’t tell me is the doctor because I fraid he put in remote control and stay in Florida, since the pilot don’t care. I fraid air Dominica crash we.
I suppose you are not aware people die at anytime and anywhere. Do you recall a few years ago a LIAT flight crashed in Dominica before landing? There were some fatalities which involved Dominicans?
How about traveling by land? Accidents also occur on land. Do you have to be reminded or told?
This is great new, let us hope they keep it up and not let us down a few months from now.
The last time this guy said he was launching his passenger travel service DNO confirmed with Baduille of and Baduille confirmed that the airline was coming. That was 2014. Now more than ever DNO needed to confirm with Baduille and didn’t do so.
Another point of concern is that DNO made no mention of the previous article in 2014.
There is no doubt that we are generally not very intellectual nor analytical (sad but true) but the media has a responsibility to remain above the status quo and to be persistent in elevating the readers. An airline service is not an overnight thing or tu cho tu flam.
I honestly believe that this article and the promise of this airline service is just another insult and abuse on the people of Dominica. We are desperate in Dominica and desperate people fall for anything most times.
We need to step up and be proud and not allow ours to become ju ju. We deserve better
http://dominicanewsonline…
You fool me once, shame on you, you fool me twice, shame on me
Oh my goodness why can’t Dominicans be satisfied and positive for once?????? Is there no pleasing you all? SMH
Sadly, these do not have what it takes. They still have to grow up, mature and be broadminded. They are lacking these traits.
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Now here is the lie, the Dominican liar said they are partnering with this company, which has been in business for ten years.
To partner with me would mean to be a share holder, with money invested in a business or entity. How many Dominicans have that kind of money to charter a business jet from Miami to Dominica several times per week, no matter what name they use to operate in Dominica.
It is just another Dominica wishful thinking crap!
charter flights Charter flights Big Deal!
There is a difference in charting an aircraft to a commercial flight. When one charter an aircraft to travel a certain distance, full, half empty, or completely empty the owner (s) have to pay the complete cost to cover fuel, landing fees, and staff salary per hour.
How many people are going to use a such services unless they have a medical emergency in Dominica, or Dominica Miami. As far as I am concerned this is just another gimmick as last election when they get an artist to paint an aircraft wrapped in a Dominica flag! Charter in this case means the plane will be hired by someone for one specific group of people.
That’s what charter means. Another Dominica April first commess!
Only in Dominica. Several times per week that is a lot of charter flights.
Boy Dominica busy with air traffic
https://dominicanewsonline.com/news/homepage/news/business/new-airline-offer-flights-florida-dominica/
wowee the aircraft landed right off concourse B, just at gate 8, right next to American, Delta, seabourne and Air Sunshine
Did this plane really do a test flight yesterday??
Did it carry any passengers (vips) on its way in?
Don’t complain people,think about that
Ministers will travel like big shot , go to Miami for lunch
Passport money will come down straight
Shopping trips made easier for the royals
Wine and dine made easier.
When Dominicans revolt , plane ready to take the royals
I smell a rat , convenience , and other people living the life why can’t I
After all I am important. My family don’t have to hassle with the ordinary liat and folks.
I will feel special ,like I own the plane.
I will charter for meetings , give impression ,that it’s my private plane, it will boost my ego
I need to enjoy the high life, I will be gone in 4 years
Boy the truth is I buy, a plane for my use. Get used to it , shut up .
what a bunch of pathetic people. I went up to the airport to see for myself. i am buying my ticket instead of listening to these haters that have nothing better to do. Why judge this young man when you all family is no better than him. He is trying and now i see he prove you all wrong. Good luck my brother as i will support you
I agree with you Susan as just went back to the Liat post and saw all these same idiots that bad talking liat are the same ones speaking bad about Blair. It really amaze me. I will be buying my ticket as can’t listen to these fools
You mean you are comparing Blair Webb with LIAT? I don’t know if that is a compliment for LIat or Blair Webb. I’m taking the ferry to French islands and fly from there, or take Winair to St. Maarten instead.
Scared of this airline? Even ferries sink. Some people do not like traveling by ferry, on water.
When can i get my ticket as i saw the plane this afternoon as it is the best thing that we have in Dominica now. Good job my brother you show all those haters.
When i listen to all this pathetic Dominicans that have never contributed anything to Dominica but spend all day on DNO bad talking a young man that trying to help the country as we have problem with LIAT. All these fools posted last week and the week before about LIAT but now a young man trying to help his country and all these losers who have nothing better to do in there life just seat home and write bad about people. I went to the airport and saw the jet that is seating there and is going to be there till Sunday. I am the first buying my ticket as he has prove all of you losers wrong.
Dominica needs its own jet service its own airline, Jamaica has its own, Air Jamaica. Why cant Dominica. The PM minister should look for outside investors like Richard Branson to purchase two small 50 passenger jets then go from there as a trial basis. Even one 727 would work and has been proven that one can land safely in Dominica. Maybe passenger service can be arranged with Amerijet cargo airline to carry passengers among with cargo to Dominica. What is holding Dominica back is people cannot get to Dominica in one day from the US mainland. I for one do not want to go through the hassle of overnighting in Puerto Rico or Antigua or arriving in Dominica late at night even though there is night landing. Another thing is Dominica needs an airport hotel so that when people arrive at night they can bed down, then go about their activities the next day. This is just my humble opinion. A locally owned small jet service from Florida direct to Dominica is long overdue.
Sorry, but I must correct you. Air Jamaica was sold by the Jamaican government ot Caribbean Airlines (Trinidad & Tobago) in return for a 16% share in Caribbean Airlines , in May 0f 2011, exactly five years ago.
Dominicans be always on your P’s and Q’s, because in these times any thing
http://thedominican.net/2013/11/controversy-swirls-around-webb.html
Take time and read for yourselves. The same guy again, plus those behind the scenes trying a ‘ting’ again.
hhmmm. Some Ting Wong. It seems every time we have an election we suddenly getting a new charter service from America.
Why don’t they just buy a sea plane and let it land right in soufriere.
WOW, this news came less than a week after Skerrit took a sudden personal trip to the US? I hope he did not go and sign any secret deal with this charter flight company on our behalf. it sounds like a scam similar to the insurance company that ran with our money.
WHEN PIGS CAN FLY!
What a SILLY press release. First of all, it’s a CHARTER flight, which means you have to somehow reach this so-called ‘airline’ to book your flight.
Secondly, if there are ONLY two people booked for a flight on their ‘schedule’, will they really fly you to Dominica? NO!
While I appreciate the effort…LET’S GET REAL FOLKS!
What we need is an international airport!
Was that why Skerrit took a personal trip to the USA last week? I wonder if he signed documents like he did in Macau, but did not cut cake this time? Sounds like the Bitcoin joke again
If that were true (I know it’s not true), wouldn’t that spell the death of Seaborne? Skerrit CANNOT get AMERIJET, a cargo flight, to resume operations in Dominica you think he could get FFA to put the lives of Americans at risk on a nonstop flight from FLL to DA? Even LIAT have safety questions with our airport
That’s a scam. It will never last!!!
Only crooked so called business men come to Dominica because that is what Dominicans like and defend!
I will use Humming Bird Air and connect in the USVI for now until such time that Workers build our international airport.
Time will tell.
I lay my case!
Election really seems to be coming man. Didn’t we have a similar promise just before the 2014 elections? But by the way who in their right mind will rent an airline to run DOM /FLL nonstop, several times a week? Once a week would be crazy, let alone several times a week. This make s no logical sense and no wonder NO ONE signed their name on it.
You are a bigger fool to downplay it and debase it as if it is a fake. The doubters and deniers will be left behind. They will never learn anything except how to be consistently critical, something they excel in. You will never move ahead.
Try it you will like it.
You are a Typical UWPite!
The government does not have any thing to do with the airline. It is privately owned. Maybe the PM will take the praise if it happens but it has nothing to do with them.
Oh…and what is the name of the airline?? All we are told is a charter company.
Poppycock, for a start the government would have to give them a license for them to operate in & out of Dominica.
LOLOLOLOLOL oh “Larry Love” I have to give it to you, you NEVER give up , really you are a piece of work. This is not a negative comment people, so don’t label it so, it is just cold truth!
ANYONE who buys tickets on this “charter” does so at your own risk. I suggest you burn your money instead, at least you can get some warmth!! If you believe this story try a little research first. Come back to Soufriere Larry Love and take up an honest occupation like fishing, maybe you can sweet talk them into the boat.
If you are not skeptical what are you? Offer encouragement, good wishes and success. Some of you always like to give others bad advice. You never want to see them progress. You are not a true friend. If I had a friend like you, I would tell you where to go.
Island Fun Tours Dominica gives it address as 1, Dame Mary Eugenia Charles Boulevard. Isn’t that the Garraway hotel? How could they be taken in by someone like Blair Webb aka Larry Love? |That will damage their reputation.
Let us hope that It is real. Call me an eternal optimist.
Congratulations for now.
Let us be optimistic. I read the article and I did not feel one bit of doubt. Nationals must give them a chance. Nothing beats a failure but a trial. This is the manner in which to look at it.
My nature is an optimistic one and yes it is hereditary. In this type of world we reside in, if I were not an optimist, I wonder what would happen to me?
A Christian must always be an optimist; a confident person. Otherwise it is a contradiction of our Christian teachings, principles and values.
We must give others a chance and wish them well, especially in a situation as this. They deserve it. This is part of the Golden Rule. Dominica and its nationals will benefit from these direct flights.
For those who have prior information about this person and his exploits that’s good for you but there are some people still remaining in Dominica who do not immediately jump to a negative judgement once it is something positive happening or about to happen in Dominica.
I am one of those who will keep an open mind until the man proves that he is the fraud he is being made out to be. I’m not sure how we reached as far as elections with the announcement of direct flights from Fort Lauderdale, but I sure do not wish to live that way, because WE ARE WHAT WE THINK and if all I can think of is negative things I will eventually reap the fruits of my negativity some way, some how, even if it is my children who feel the effects. I certainly do not want that on their heads.
I therefore pray always for clean hands and a pure heart.
The man has left a trail of bad businesses and owes money to people all over the Caribbean. Somehow he continues to find people who have not heard of him. Be an optimist, thats great, but be one very far from this.
You are correct. I wholeheartedly endorse your comments. Negative people are destroyers of all what is good and all good plans. In their warped minds, they give the venture bad luck before it is even off the ground. I view them as dangerous people, even to themselves. They are not interested in progress.
They trusted their life with LIAT. Who are they who are the executives and management of LIAT? Why not this new undertaking?
Barbara if someone is not optimistic about something it does not necessarily mean that there is negativity. The fact that people have seen this before and it has turned out to be a scam , pessimism is quite understandable. Is it coincidence that we’ve seen this twice before and it is always on the heel of an election. Barbara do you really fall for these scams? Give us one reason why you believe that this is even real. You can ignore all the red tape required to get something like that into operation. Just give us one good reason to be optimistic.
Do you even think that this is sustainable. Who is going to pay $ 400-$500 to fly from elsewhere in the US to get to Fort Lauderdale to pay another $500 to Dominica. WhO would build a business on such premise.
Barbara wake up and be real. Stop being a sucker.
Lang Mama
Sucker I am certainly not! As I said I haven’t got a clue who this man is and I did hear about the 2014 initiative so I am not in a position to defend or condemn his project, but I think that I can ask Aren’t there Dominicans living in Miami, Fort Lauderdale and neighbouring Counties? Is there no one else who travels normally to Dominica from Miami International or Fort Lauderdale? Don’t people fly from New York and other States through Miami and Fort Lauderdale to San Juan and then to Dominica by Seaborne or LIAT? so what is so far-fetched and idiotic about them catching a direct flight to Dominica from Fort Lauderdale?
If you and others can believe that we can afford the construction of an international airport and passengers and airlines will be falling over each other to leave the regular hubs and fly to Dominica or all of a sudden there will be hundreds of Dominicans taking daily flights by British Airways and American Airlines etc.
(continued….)
to England and France and America and Germany etc. who is the sucker? To ask you your own question, who would build a business on that premise? Sure, we would all love to have an international airport but it seems that no one thinks beyond the fantasy of an international airport and what would be involved in its maintenance and upkeep. In fact I gather that some of our neighbours have to pay the international airlines to fly to their airports to keep them open.
Lang Mama, I try to think objectively about everything. I do not allow myself to be blinded by dislike of or resentment against anyone to the extent that I lose all reason once there is the slightest inkling that something may happen to make them look good.
Perhaps you should really look twice at this proposal just in case it is genuine and could work, because Puerto Rico is coming dangerously close to being a failed state and it is a major transit point for many Dominicans to and from the US.
firstly it’s charter flights? that’s something to consider…so means it’s not fully regulated like Seaborne and when AA Eagle came from SJU..
During the elections they would allow aircraft to land of that type and distance only on charter basis…something isn’t right…that service won’t last too long folks..
i won’t be falling into that trap! it’s a large scam….
Charter basis means their visit would be for a short duration. It costs less.
Charter flights must be regulated. Why is it not regulated? Or is it in your mind?
I once flew by a charter flight to Antigua and back to Canada. This was an emergency visit to Dominica.
From Antigua, it flew to Barbados to let off some passengers.
On my way back, from Antigua to Canada, it stopped in Barbados to pick them up. It was a pleasant flight.
All airlines are supposed to be regulated. You can find out about this.
What I think about charter flights (which I did not investigate), at that time, to my disappointment, I was allowed only two weeks stay.
Cease your negativity. If you feel it is not regulated, you must look into it. This is what I would do or any sensible person.
Please, dear lady. For, once, I would ask you to talk about a subject you are knowledgeable of. Obviously, the airline industry is not one of, them.
That is why your name on this Website is Malatete. Exactly what it means.
How many times do you fly even per year? I know exactly what I stated. The only difference is this airline operates in the Caribbean. All airlines are to operate according to regulations and are subject to same for they are carrying human cargo and their luggage.
Take a back seat.
If and when these flight comes taxi drivers will get a lil job
hotels and the employees will likely be or remain employed
the supermarket will sell the people at the market will hopefully
sell their lil produce. What can be possibly be wrong with that
So can we just say thank u Lord.
Once bitten twice shy. Blair Webb tried that before with CIT, and airline that never took off in 2013. Ask the people in Soufriere what they think of Larry Love. He will not catch me.
It deserves a chance. You book your flight and you pay for also your return ticket. Then see what happens.
Note how LIAT has treated Dominicans and to know that Dominica is a shareholder. LIAT deserves some good competition.
Wonder what has DOMINICA done to some people!! Why all the hate?
if we cannot love or appreciate something good happening to our
or a country .How can we possible love one another, May God bless us all
and Domininica
There are some people who are consistently bearer of bad news. These should be avoided at all costs. Some try to make them think otherwise but they are too set in their negative ways. They will never change. I wonder how these people could ever obtain eternal salvation. There are no negative and evil-minded people in Heaven.
Island Girl…we are talking from experience. From the Day Skerrit became PM, Dominica has deepened into poverty and we have only seen allegations of corruption, well we know of the Bin and Fertilizer Bobols et etc. We do not trust Skerrit, we don trust his government. The sooner this Pm and his corrupt government take the outward flight of this new promised fight the better for Dominica.
Safe flight….good luck..do not come back
I would advise any potential passengers to be extremely cautious. Mr. Blair Webb and his new airline are not exactly unknown entities. He is the same person, who launched CIT (Caribbean Island Transport, a supposed Dominican airline) in 2013. However that airline never left the ground.
Because some of you Dominicans did not support him. If there were not ample passengers how do you expect it to get off the ground? He is trying another venture and partnered with some agencies.
Some people try a venture and it does not work. They think of how they could try another one with more potential. This is the way life works. Wish him well.
Blair Webb, who hails from Soufriere and better known in that locallity as “Larry Love”, is certainly persistent. I must give him that. This is the same gentleman, who launched an airline CIT (Caribbean Island Transport), for direct jet services between Melville Hall and Ft. Lauderdale at the end of 2013, which never took off! (see also the Dominican.net of 26 Nov. 2013). He apparently duped three Barbados companies with a proposed ferry scheme and left the island apparently owing money. He also registered a company in the U.K., Elite Yachts in Sept. 2009 , which was subjected to a court order to be compulsory wound up only a year later.
Sorry mr. Webb but I will play safe and not make a deposit for flights with your new airline. My grandfather always told me that a leopard does not change its spots and he has proven to be right on many occasions.
I hope to God, that our P.M. has not been persuaded to take an interest in this venture, privately or officially.
Ask yourself. Was this his fault? Were you personally affected?
You people give him bad reviews. How do you expect him to be successful?
Some Dominicans do not like to see their own progress and succeed.
Elisabeth, ask the people in Soufriere. He is his own worst enemy.
Facts, would you go and spend your money at a restaurant that has bad reviews? You expect a place like that to be successful? Go ahead and buy a ticket from Larry Love. Put your money where your mouth is Facts.
@ Me:
I never stated I am Elizabeth. You who refer to me as Elizabeth. This is not Elizabeth. She can vouch for that. Stop giving people names which are not theirs.
A man – people deserve a second chance. Just imagine, if God forgives you, He gives you many more for your many sins and more to be committed until you die.
wow that would be good for the country, let us thank Mr. Blair Webb. for investing in the industry and making a little easier for people like me that travels to the country so often we needed that competition.
Some Dominicans just like fowls… short memory… read!!!
http://thedominican.net/2013/11/controversy-swirls-around-webb.html
I smell a big fat STOLEN ELECTION RAT…
thats EXACTLY what it is, and i cam smell the stench as well
It is the devil’s stench that you smell which wants nothing good for you Dominicans. It is projected in your constant negativity.
Whenever there is a new venture, the devil will try to destroy it. Keep being influenced and see how much you, personally will be destroyed.
SWEEEEEEEEEEET!!!
If there going to use the Erj135 , what is the seating config , and will there be any weight restrictions ?
Looks like they’re using a jet that seats thirty passengers: http://www.rvrair.com/2000embraer.php
In the video they say one bag each. Pack light, I suppose.
Great info Steve, thanks
mr. Foerster , you are right is an Embrear 2000 ERJ135- LR (long range), registration no. N403RW, in the name of RVR Aviation (previously Wells Fargo Bank), built in 2000 (Brazil). Nice, clean aircraft. I suspect government plans are to use it for part VIP transport, since it has the right lay-out for that.
The usual weight these days with all airlines is either 40 to 50 lbs., Kilos(?) ; not much. This is the regulation.
Mercenaries !! mercenaries !!! economic mercenaries you ‘all that is what they are !!!! Tour company what what ????
The same Blair Webb that was behind the phantom airline that popped up just before the last General Elections and which never came to fruition after it was exposed as a lie? LOL LOL
As usual Dominicans are going to say great things are happening just like when Blair announced the phantom airline. Dominicans fall for anything. It is shameful.
http://thedominican.net/2013/11/controversy-swirls-around-webb.html
so nice had to do it twice
Ah how many times Blair are we taken for a ride. The reports from barbados speak for itself:
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/barbados/conversations/topics/828
My god you are ignorant.
@sandy, you must be one of the idiots who fall for anything that is thrust under their noses.
And you are naive and gullible.
hehehehe Dorival that same character, and as usual, the sheep will say niceeeeeeeeeee – good Lord what is wrong with these people