BVI Airways, gov’t in talks over flight increase

The Dominica government says it is in discussion with BVI Airways in a bid to have that airline increase the number of flights it makes to and from Dominica.

The authorities here admit to being concerned about the approaching scheduled phase out of American Eagle operating out of San Juan Puerto Rico, and are seeking alternatives to take up that what’s expected to be the resulting slack.

American Eagle’s pull out is expected to impact passengers getting into Dominica especially medical students.

American Eagle announced to employees recently that the San Juan base will be closed by March 2013.

Government Minister Reginald Austrie says the talks being held with BVI Airways have focused on the possibility of the airline purchasing or leasing new airplanes to accommodate increased flights into Dominica.

“I have attended several meetings with BVI Airways and Ross University trying to see if we can work a sort of tripartite arrangement with Ross, the Government of Dominica and BVI Airways to see if they can buy or lease the two of three new planes that they need,” Austrie confirmed at a recent town hall-type meeting.

At the moment American eagle serves Dominica with eight hundred and ninety six (896) seats from San Juan on a weekly basis.

BVI Airways is seen as one possible alternative to filling the gap when American Eagle goes.

At the moment BVI Airwaves operates six flights weekly to Dominica on Mondays, Wednesdays and Saturdays.

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66 Comments

  1. rasta
    July 19, 2012

    liat too wicked

  2. 4progress
    July 17, 2012

    Caribbean Airlines, LIATs competitor, seems to be operating pretty well now that it has merge with Jamaican Airlines

    …Is there any discussion with them by a Gov’t rep. to include DA in there schedule.

    Is there any further discussion on the Intl Airport by the gov’t

  3. Happy Passenger
    July 17, 2012

    I have heard from an informed source that the new BVI Airways service will be NONSTOP to Miami with a different airplane than what they have now!

  4. July 17, 2012

    June 29th, 2012

    ROAD TOWN, Tortola, VI – Seaborne Airlines has commitment to having seven daily flights from San Juan, Puerto Rico to Tortola by March 2013.

    The disclosure was made this morning June 29, 2012 in the House of Assembly sitting by Premier and Minister for Tourism Hon. Dr. D. Orlando Smith who was at time was giving an update on the tourism agenda in the Territory.

    “Just yesterday we were able to confirm that our discussions with Seaborne Airlines have been fruitful with their announcement that they will have seven daily flights from San Juan to Tortola by March 2013,” he said, adding that the negotiations included the Seaborne’s three new Saab 340B 30-seater planes.

    According to an article published in the St. John’s Source yesterday June 28, which speaks about Seaborne’s acquisition of the new planes, it said the planes will be used on airport to airport routes for the Seaborne Shuttle, not on the routes where planes land on water. The 340Bs will replace those used on the San Juan to St. Thomas and St. Croix routes and supplement those used between St. Thomas and St. Croix.

    The article further quoted Seaborne’s marketing consultant Angelia Hanne, as saying that with American Airlines ending flights out of San Juan to St. Thomas and St. Croix, Seaborne expects to fill in the gap.

    The new planes are part of Seaborne’s expansion program, and Hanne said the airline will start San Juan to Tortola services in October and plan to double the number of flights between St. Thomas and St. Croix.

    Meanwhile, noting that the principal challenge currently facing tourism in the Territory is that of air access and getting visitors to the Territory in an efficient and cost effective manner, Hon. Smith said as government awaits its long term plan to address the situation with the expansion of the Terrance B.Lettsome International Airport, they have embarked on several interim measures to get tourists to the VI in a cost effective and effective manner starting from this winter.

    “Madam Speaker, in this regard the Board and the Premier’s Office have engaged a strategy which focuses on getting visitors to the BVI via San Juan, Puerto Rico and the Cyril E. King International Airport in St. Thomas and for our European visitors, the VC Bird International Airport in Antigua. The Board via its Air Lift Committee and where necessary myself as Premier, the Ministers of Communication and Works and Natural Resources and Labour have met at the highest levels with all of the principal carriers serving or proposing to serve the Territory for the upcoming winter season and beyond.”

    He explained that the objective of those meetings was to ensure that should American Eagle discontinue its service to the Territory during the next season, that the destination will have in place alternate options for meeting its seat capacity into the Territory from San Juan. “We are also working to improve the air capacity from San Juan and St. Thomas into TB Lettsome International and Virgin Gorda. These discussions are proceeding with a view to reaching a conclusion in a timely manner for next winter.”

    Regarding air access via the Cyril E. King International Airport on St. Thomas, the Territory’s leader said the objective is to better coordinate the various ferry schedules with the arrival and departure schedules of the airlines servicing the Cyril E. King Airport.

    “Additionally, we are also keen on improving the visitor reception at Cyril E. King for BVI bound visitors. In this regard, we have opened discussions with our tourism counterparts in the USVI with a view to addressing this matter. We are also in discussion with the various ferry operators about establishing an online booking and reservation capability for visitors. Once these arrangements have been established, the BVI Tourist Board will immediately engage in a vigorous promotional campaign to drive BVI bound traffic via St. Thomas.”

    A forward thinking government, 33 seats versus 19 seats. DNO Admin post this for debate thanks.

  5. July 17, 2012

    Is that competition?Dominica needs an International Airport with options of travel. LIAT cannot do it alone, it is a strain on LIAT.We should look into lengthening the Run way or creating a link runway to Melville hall Runway and Airport to get larger planes.

    Think outside the box and be proactive, MARCH IS JUST AROUND THE CORNER.

  6. July 17, 2012

    I strongly think that is time that Dominica look into investing into Air transportation. and Sea too.

  7. Room 101
    July 17, 2012

    The caribbean market that Eagle serves is too important for the North American carriers, there will be another Company that will purchase the route rights from AA.
    We should try getting the information and start negotiating with this New Airline asap…..it may be Delta express, United express or an other affiliate of one of the major US Airlines.

    Remember the SJU hub is quite important for the American carriers.

  8. Anonymous
    July 16, 2012

    confused why talks with bvi when he pm just invested in liat. :-? :-? :-? :-?

  9. Real Dominican
    July 16, 2012

    Mr. Francisco Telemaque

    Please Read

    American Eagle ready to quit on Puerto Rico

    Image via airlinesanddestinations.com

    Mar 26, 2012
    Regional affiliate of American Airlines is planning to end its operations in Puerto Rico in 2013, a Puerto Rican newspaper reports.

    El Vocero reported that in an attempts to shave $75 million in labor costs per year, the American Eagle will close its Puerto Rico operations by March 2013. The newspaper cites a Friday memo from the Association of Flight Attendants to American Eagle’s roughly 150 employees in Puerto Rico.

    The flight attendants union did not immediately respond to calls seeking comment.

    According to AP, American Airlines spokeswoman Dori Alvarez said only that the airline has not made any schedule change announcements for American Eagle in San Juan.

    American and parent AMR Corp. filed for bankruptcy protection in November.

  10. Fiber
    July 16, 2012

    Noooooo

  11. Help
    July 16, 2012

    We negotiating with BVI When we have 8 million dollars worth of seat at LIAT’s table?

    • Dominica_Lover
      July 17, 2012

      I fully agree with you. I like many things that this government has done, but giving liat money when we should be investing in an airlines of our own. 8million is a great start up cost.

  12. mr p
    July 16, 2012

    reginal austrie go talk to jet blue that is the airline that will replace american eagle u guys need to reyalise that wasted millions at melvillehall talking about nightlanding my foot

  13. overseas
    July 16, 2012

    we definately have to look at long term now, barbados and other caribbean islands are opening med schools and for sure if it is easier to get to those islands not only american eagle will go but the studients as well. everyone is now looking for easier ways to getting around, if we dont do anything NOW this island is going to be overlooked even more..

  14. dom
    July 16, 2012

    Liat flies to san juan why not use them? Oh i forgot too much politician involvement in liat, crippling that airline. Privatize the damn thing.

  15. dom
    July 16, 2012

    That is the solution? Are you serious? Pity that place we call Dominica

    • grandbay gal
      July 16, 2012

      Do u have any connection with “that place”? just wondering smh

    • waly
      July 16, 2012

      Why don’t you setup your airline company? That might be a solution!!!
      :-D

      • 4progress
        July 17, 2012

        the name suits u

  16. new jersy
    July 16, 2012

    INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT PLEASE

  17. Anonymous
    July 16, 2012

    psst.

    WinAir(DH twin otter), used to fly San Juan – Dominica, why not BVI.

    Psst.

    Where are all those saying Government should encourage competition?

  18. Joshua D.T. Drigo
    July 16, 2012

    In the overal interest of the Tourism Industry and the anticipated continued growth and expansion of Ross University, BVI Airways as an alternative is a welcomed news. What would be even better would be the commencement of talks with another US owned International Carrier, that call into Puerto Rico, Barbados etc; who operates or is willing to operate island hoping flights to some of the Islands, in particular Dominica. When travelling from the US on American Airlines flights are confirmed ALL THE WAY BACK AND FORTH, and when passengers get to Puerto Rico they do not have to go look for luggage, drag them along and you know the rest of the hustle. They hand their luggage to AA in the US and collect them at Melville Hall. That is what is good about AA and Eagle. We need that BVI connection but we also need a similar AA/EAGLE type arrangement. It would eleminate all the worries about the pending Eagle pull out. At the top of all this is the fact that Eagle has said that the Puerto Rico to Dominica route is the only profitable inter island leg. So we can negotiate from a position of strength even if that is the only one AA/Eagle will continue with. Can you imagine what that would do to Ross and their extensive frequent travelling faculty and student body and their friends and families and to all Dominicans and other visitors.

  19. July 16, 2012

    To the TELEMACQUE guy,AMERICAN EAGLE is NOT only pulling out from Dominica.They are retiring their EAGLE planes all together….which means all the caribbean islands.

    • anonymous2
      July 16, 2012

      Well, lets hope that they reconsider when the bankruptcy proceedings are over. AirTran is trying to get them to merge. We have to wait and see what happens but still have a plan B.

  20. July 16, 2012

    hmmmm all i can do is laugh

  21. HARRIS
    July 16, 2012

    what difference its gonna make to increase flights to dominica. BVi Airways does not have a hub in san juan, Bvi airways will just benefits those passengers coming from the virgins islands.

    • Malatete
      July 16, 2012

      Please, do your research before putting your foot into your mouth.BVI air connects us with St. Maarten, which is a very important hub for flights direct into Europe, Canada and the U.S.A.

  22. Francisco Telemaque
    July 16, 2012

    Installing lamps at Melville Hall Airport has not caused aircrafts to land all night, nor land past seven o’clock as they did prior to the installed light bulbs; you know the green and red ones, so what difference another fleet like LIAT is going make?

    Even if that Airline starts serving Dominica today, that will not resolve our air transportation problem in and out of the country.

    There must be a reason why American Eagle is pulling out of Dominica; there must be a reason that Ross Medical School is about to leave.

    Add that the closing of the tram, which survival depended on tourism, it does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that our only resolve is the construction of an International Airport.

    The BVI Airline aircrafts carry less than fifty soles, they are about the same size as LIAT, so what’s the purpose?

    Whereas a combination of LIAT and American Eagle, are unable to fulfil the purpose today what difference is it going to make in the long run?

    Our government may have once again embarked on another wild goose chase for a quick fixed, while ignoring the real issue, and the true solution.

    The appropriate, and only solution to our problem is to build an International Airport!

    The government of Dominica should ask this question: Why are the people and government of the BVI widening and lengthening their Airport Runway?

    A fool would realize they are getting ready to accommodate the heavyweights in the airline industry,the 747’s, and 777’s, or 778’s and larger jet propelled aircrafts; that is the purpose.

    We are wasting our time, even if this airline may serve as a bandage for the festering wound, it will never be enough to contain the amount of puss that will develop over a short period of time.

    I am not saying we should not prepare for the imminent departure of LIAT in the interim, however, the time to commence concentrating on building the long overdue International Airport on the island is now!

    Francisco Etienne-Dods Telemaque

    • DTP
      July 16, 2012

      What ill informed rubbish are you saying ?

    • DTP
      July 16, 2012

      American Eagle is not just pulling out of Dominica, they are closing their hub in PR. They have already stopped flights in other countries around the region . Ross is not pulling out they were in the meeting to discuss how they are going to move their students and staff in and out. You did no read to understand, you don’t know the facts but your running your mouth about an International airport etc like the typical fool which hold back the country.
      Everybody is screaming International airport just because it looks and sounds good to say we have. Another material possession to flaunt jsut to show we’re up to the times like everyone else just because they have it.
      There are things which happen before these things come into play and we are not there yet !
      You want a race track before you can walk straight !?

      • July 16, 2012

        the things that need to be in place are they going to fall off from the sky? saying we need an international airport doesnt sound good. we are in the 21st century we need an international airport. i have been to several workshops where foreign facilitators always mention how beatiful the country is but how it was extremely difficult getting into here.

      • Nac Vibes
        July 17, 2012

        So a brand new state malice is more important.
        Mr Telemaque may have had some incorrect information, but fact remains, your government is not fit for purpose.
        They told us that with night landing would be the great savior where are the promised benefits, now with egg on their faces they pump millions into a failing airline clutching at straws and still they are looking to pump even more into another airline that can just keep their heads above water, what are we going to buy these planes for BVI

    • July 16, 2012

      For years now that man seem to talk rubbish,from since sa ka fete days.Because you feel you left Dominica primitive that we are still primitive man.Get a life man,always there.YOU AND YOUR FAMILY THAT GOING AND FULL UP THEM BIG JETS YOU TALKING ABOUT THERE MAN?IT IS NOT VIABLE RIGHT NOW SIR.

    • Red Gyal
      July 16, 2012

      Man just hush your mouth with your long story. You chatting so much and you don’t have facts. Stupes

    • Malatete
      July 16, 2012

      Dear mr. Telemaque.
      – Nobody said that Ross University are contemplating a departuire from Dominica.
      – The Aerial tram was dependent on cruise ship passengers, far less on visitors arriving by air.
      – Melville Hall can accommodate 737 type jets. I have seen them land and take off there.
      – The aircraft BVI airway currently use, the Jetstream turbuprop, is not similar to the Dash-8 used by LIAT. They are in fact smaller and accommodate only 19 passengers (obviating the need for cabin crew). Their schedule of 3 return flights a week to/from St. Maarten is adequate for current passenger volume and that is really the crux of the matter. International airporty or not, we simply cannot offer carriers enough traffic to increase their frequency or capacity.
      We are failing to attract enough visitors and that is not entirely due to the fact that we do not have an “internationasl” airport. The drastic reduction in cruise ship arrivals is testament to that.

      • Francisco Telemaque
        July 16, 2012

        You do not understand the concept!

        First of all in order for the Tram to succeed as a seasonal operation, millions of tourist would have to visit Dominica annual, or seasonally. You commented on the small amount of tourist arrival; that means unless every passenger visiting went on a ride in the jungle the business would still operate at a lost.

        And mind you a tourist ship usually stay no more than eight or nine hours in port, and less than half of the people aboard may want to go to ride over the trees.

        The difference in the visiting tourists by air is that they usually spend at least ten days on the islands they visit; no less than five days since that might be the full duration of a working person vacation. The longer they remain on the island over night it is the more the people involved in the industry benefits.

        Hotels accommodation, night life entertainment, island tours, sightseeing ect., all of that is impossible to accomplish on a one day stop over by a ship.

        Again I will use Antigua as an example, more Tourist Ships visits Antigua on a single day during the season than Dominica gets all year round, however, Antigua’s economy is practically sustained by revenue generated by the International Airport on the island, and not so much by what is made via visiting ships.

        They make more money from people who have extended vacation on the island! It is time for our people to realize that Dominica would be a more prosperous place if only we had the infrastructure in place to accommodate better, and faster access into the island from an international point of view.

        Okay, I agree that there are very small jets, which can land and take off at Melville Hall, nevertheless I guaranty you the FAA, or which authority overseeing Melville Hall Airport will never grant permission to that same airline to operate commercially in and out of Melville Hall Airport, any of this landing in Dominica right now I am sure are charted flights, and commercial passenger flights.

        So, we are right back back to square one!

        We can procrastinate, we can drag our feet for as long as time will permit; that will be at our nations detriment, because we will remain backward, all of the old politicians who are in opposition of progress and development will soon depart this life taking their bad politics and backwardness with them, however, the up and coming younger generation will be burdened with the blunder the older no vision politicians have made.

        Rosie Douglas, and Pirie Charles detested the building of the airport, they claimed it was too expensive to build, however what would have cost less than four hundred million dollars in 1999/2000 will cost more than five hundred million dollars in 2012, procrastinating for another two years in the twenty-first century, the coat may hit one billion dollars.

        Blame that on bad politics, and a lack of vision of past so called leaders.

        Francisco Etienne-Dods Telemaque

      • Homeboy
        July 16, 2012

        You are for real to think that a 19 passenger aircraft is sufficient fir DA.. Wowww

      • Room 101
        July 17, 2012

        When considering an internation airport, one must aligne the factor needed for such a venture:
        1. Adéquate hôtel rooms
        2. Animation to keep the visitors entertained ( to often we get stuck in the traditional activities and Forget that we are entertaining an international visitor base…thus vereity is the key)
        3. Mordern facilities both medical and communication.
        4. Confortable and mordern arrival and departure terminal facilities.
        5. Safety and security for the visitors.
        5. Courtesy and attentiveness of the customs, immigration and all the other players that the visitors will be in contact with on arrival at our sbires.
        6. Confortable and spacious airplans to accommodate the visitors ( remember flying is a stressful experience for anyone ) ….the level of comfort of the airplane and the landing is crucial for the visitor’s first impression of a destination.

      • Fireman
        July 17, 2012

        @Malatete,
        It is like the chicken and the egg. Which come first, the chicken or the egg? We will never attract significant increases in traffic to Dominica if we do not have the facilities to so do. Many persons refuse to travel to Dominica solely on the fact that they have to check out in Antigua and then check back in on Liat. In some instances go through immigration and even over night.

        Who from Europe, Asia, Africa, South America or even North America wants to change planes to come to a country which does not have casinos, gentlemen clubs or even street lights? You would need to have a vested interest in Dominica re: family, friends, loved ones or business to travel here. Only a handful would go through all of this to travel to a country which does not have top class hotels or quality beaches.

        At least we should be able to boast our eco-tourism and how much it is within an arm’s grasp. Jump on a plane from anywhere and you are there , in Eden, in less than 12 hrs from anywhere on the planet.

      • July 17, 2012

        To Mr Telemaque,

        your comment are almost correct,but let me make a small comment,

        Melvinhall airport is not right for night landing,Im a airtraffic controller who visit D/ca frequently,and the approach from rwy 09 its not good,from rwy 27,just as bad, in a event of a mis approach,where and how does a pilot do that?left turn out?on a mis approach?wellyou be cleaning up body parts for days,
        the aviation dept in Antigua should have know that Dominica has to many obstical limitations in the airport surroundings,in which they have the equiptment to do that,even your kadaster has one,
        so is best for dominica to get a new site for a airport,no obstacle in the area,free from hills,or mountains in there surroundings,
        P.s.theres a compamy in canada that provide this type of service to airports,dont end up like stmaarten,with a hill affront of them,on the take off,

        hasta llego,

    • warma
      July 16, 2012

      you know something, I first got to sample your ideas on the old cakafete.com website – you were an idiot then, you remain an idiot today. For someone who always presents what he says are “facts”, you are surprisingly devoid of facts – maybe that’s not surprising after all. Who told you Ross is pulling out of Dominica? I see commercials in the NY metro area for Ross. And if you knew anything about AA, you would know that the airline is in chapter 11 bankruptcy court seeking reorganization and protection from creditors – just last week they were floating the idea of merging with US Airways. As part of the bankruptcy proceedings, AA is closing hubs and phasing out aircraft. You come here pontificating to Dominicans as to what they should and shouldn’t do. There’s an old saying – better to remain silent and be thought of as a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. You would be well-advised to heed that, but then again, Francisco Etienne Dods Telemaque is not that smart to begin with, so that may just be an exercise in futility.

    • Homeboy
      July 16, 2012

      I don’t know why so much thumbs down! Some of your points were misconstrued but you are right as usual Dominica is not thinking for the ‘long run’. Dominica is indeed myopic the country needs a jet strip. All that money wasted on Melville Hall.., what is the benefit??!

    • anonymous2
      July 16, 2012

      Are you going to give them the money?

  23. police wife
    July 16, 2012

    i miss caribbean star, soon we will not be able to come visit family the way things are going, we will have to get to st lucia or martique to catch the ferry if no one takes up the offer, cos there aint no way i am risking liat, if they dont lose ya bags, they end up being late or cancalled or just late having a lot of mid flight technical difficulties, like i am going to risk my babies lives on those.

    • budman
      July 17, 2012

      you talking bout risking lives. LIAT ever crash since you on this planet? any of the big airlines can make that claim?

      • the facts
        September 3, 2012

        Actually yes one twin otter went down over st. vincent

  24. ROXY
    July 16, 2012

    This is to Admin. Air BVI was owned by the BVI Govt. along with several BVIslanders. However, AIR BVI has been out of operation over ten years. BVI Airways is owned and operated by an American Company with its hub in Tortola, BVI.The picture which you posted on your news site is that of AIR BVI which was taken from somenone’s FB page. Please do not confuse yourself and your readers, they are two totally different airlines.

  25. DOMINICAN
    July 16, 2012

    just an international airport and straight flights from us to da. eg jetblue.

    • July 16, 2012

      Will it be viable with 50 people a week.only if you and all your family will be coming to d.a every week.

      • Morihei Ueshiba
        July 16, 2012

        @shabeh u not ashamed, even Haiti have an international airport and that incompetent Govt cannot build one. St.Vincent almost finish there airport u not ashamed.

      • Homeboy
        July 16, 2012

        Shabeh with thinking like yours no wonder we are last in terms of development!!

      • budman
        July 17, 2012

        @Morihei. what do you mean “even Haiti have an international airport” are you an idiot? Haiti has nealry 10 million people. of course it would ahve an international airport . in fact it has two of them and 16 other domestic airports. don’t fool yourself boss, there are parts of Haiti that are FAR FAR more developed than anywhere in DA.

      • virgo
        July 17, 2012

        SO true, my dear they all want international Airport.

    • anonymous2
      July 16, 2012

      Don’t we wish. The TSA and immigration won’t allow it. They process everyone through San Juan these days.

  26. Jahyout
    July 16, 2012

    We did not hear any talks with LIAT and they was promise $8,000,000. Now we are hearing of talks with BVI let me see if they are going to get the help they would need to buy those 2-3 planes…

  27. CC
    July 16, 2012

    The more competition LIAT has will mean cheeper airfares for all of us in the long run.

    • budman
      July 17, 2012

      no it wont. the governemnt taxes are the features that make airfare high.

  28. Channel 1
    July 16, 2012

    If Air BVI decides to expand more into the Dominican market and maybe even the wider Caribbean, I trust their management would at least consider acquiring some larger planes similar to the Dash-8 LIAT planes instead of just relying on ‘toy’ plane type of aircraft.

    • smh
      July 16, 2012

      Those “toy plane” air-crafts are the reason that they are able to land safely in Canefield. Bigger air-crafts usually need more runway space.

      • anonymous2
        July 16, 2012

        They need to get some planes going out of Canefield to SJU.

  29. Aviator
    July 16, 2012

    That could be good news.
    However, I am wondering how can Air BVI fly a San Juan (USA) to Dominica (OECS) route with a BVI airline operator certificate ?

  30. people voice
    July 16, 2012

    what i hearing dere nuh, alu putting how much millions into LIAT and alu consulting Air BVI? what is dat for me nuh…. i need to be explained to on this one papa

    • flyboy
      July 16, 2012

      Thoughtful comment.

    • Anonymous
      July 16, 2012

      Agreed. Total waste of money. Should have used that 8 million in better ways.

      • Anonymous
        July 16, 2012

        Name what betters way to use that 11million Euros of GRANT money, which the EU specifically agreed for Dominica to us on IMPROVEMENT of Melville Hall?

      • Anonymous
        July 16, 2012

        Apologies Anonymous,

        Missed to which from Melville Hall to investment in LIAT.

        Now noted.

        Have a good look at the flights in and out of Melville Hall.

        Now knowing AA/Eagle is on it way out, what would you do to protect DOMINICA’s airlift to Dominica?

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