COMMENTARY: God is not a Christian

Bishop Desmond Tutu

The following is excerpted from the Archbishop Desmond Tutu’s new book, ‘God Is Not A Christian: And Other Provocations.’ It was delivered as a speech where Tutu addressed leaders of different faiths during a mission to the city of Birmingham.

They tell the story of a drunk who crossed the street and accosted a pedestrian, asking him, “I shay, which ish the other shide of the shtreet?” The pedestrian, somewhat nonplussed, replied, “That side, of course!” The drunk said, “Shtrange. When I wash on that shide, they shaid it wash thish shide.” Where the other side of the street is depends on where we are. Our perspective differs with our context, the things that have helped to form us; and religion is one of the most potent of these formative influences, helping to determine how and what we apprehend of reality and how we operate in our own specific context.

My first point seems overwhelmingly simple: that the accidents of birth and geography determine to a very large extent to what faith we belong. The chances are very great that if you were born in Pakistan you are a Muslim, or a Hindu if you happened to be born in India, or a Shintoist if it is Japan, and a Christian if you were born in Italy. I don’t know what significant fact can be drawn from this — perhaps that we should not succumb too easily to the temptation to exclusiveness and dogmatic claims to a monopoly of the truth of our particular faith. You could so easily have been an adherent of the faith that you are now denigrating, but for the fact that you were born here rather than there.

My second point is this: not to insult the adherents of other faiths by suggesting, as sometimes has happened, that for instance when you are a Christian the adherents of other faiths are really Christians without knowing it. We must acknowledge them for who they are in all their integrity, with their conscientiously held beliefs; we must welcome them and respect them as who they are and walk reverently on what is their holy ground, taking off our shoes, metaphorically and literally. We must hold to our particular and peculiar beliefs tenaciously, not pretending that all religions are the same, for they are patently not the same. We must be ready to learn from one another, not claiming that we alone possess all truth and that somehow we have a corner on God.

We should in humility and joyfulness acknowledge that the supernatural and divine reality we all worship in some form or other transcends all our particular categories of thought and imagining, and that because the divine — however named, however apprehended or conceived — is infinite and we are forever finite, we shall never comprehend the divine completely. So we should seek to share all insights we can and be ready to learn, for instance, from the techniques of the spiritual life that are available in religions other than our own. It is interesting that most religions have a transcendent reference point, a mysterium tremendum, that comes to be known by deigning to reveal itself, himself, herself, to humanity; that the transcendent reality is compassionate and concerned; that human beings are creatures of this supreme, supra mundane reality in some way, with a high destiny that hopes for an everlasting life lived in close association with the divine, either as absorbed without distinction between creature and creator, between the divine and human, or in a wonderful intimacy which still retains the distinctions between these two orders of reality.

When we read the classics of the various religions in matters of prayer, meditation, and mysticism, we find substantial convergence, and that is something to rejoice at. We have enough that conspires to separate us; let us celebrate that which unites us, that which we share in common.

Surely it is good to know that God (in the Christian tradition) created us all (not just Christians) in his image, thus investing us all with infinite worth, and that it was with all humankind that God entered into a covenant relationship, depicted in the covenant with Noah when God promised he would not destroy his creation again with water. Surely we can rejoice that the eternal word, the Logos of God, enlightens everyone — not just Christians, but everyone who comes into the world; that what we call the Spirit of God is not a Christian preserve, for the Spirit of God existed long before there were Christians, inspiring and nurturing women and men in the ways of holiness, bringing them to fruition, bringing to fruition what was best in all. We do scant justice and honor to our God if we want, for instance, to deny that Mahatma Gandhi was a truly great soul, a holy man who walked closely with God. Our God would be too small if he was not also the God of Gandhi: if God is one, as we believe, then he is the only God of all his people, whether they acknowledge him as such or not. God does not need us to protect him. Many of us perhaps need to have our notion of God deepened and expanded. It is often said, half in jest, that God created man in his own image and man has returned the compliment, saddling God with his own narrow prejudices and exclusivity, foibles and temperamental quirks. God remains God, whether God has worshippers or not.

This mission in Birmingham to which I have been invited is a Christian celebration, and we will make our claims for Christ as unique and as the Savior of the world, hoping that we will live out our beliefs in such a way that they help to commend our faith effectively. Our conduct far too often contradicts our profession, however. We are supposed to proclaim the God of love, but we have been guilty as Christians of sowing hatred and suspicion; we commend the one whom we call the Prince of Peace, and yet as Christians we have fought more wars than we care to remember. We have claimed to be a fellowship of compassion and caring and sharing, but as Christians we often sanctify sociopolitical systems that belie this, where the rich grow ever richer and the poor grow ever poorer, where we seem to sanctify a furious competitiveness, ruthless as can only be appropriate to the jungle.

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42 Comments

  1. Petric
    June 23, 2021

    Nothing is reliable….;depend on you.

  2. July 9, 2011

    “God is not a Christian” BUT “God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
    Obviously one must become a believer in Christ to be saved.
    And who is the only denomination that brings that truth right up to your very doorstep?
    Find out about them here: http://tinyurl.com/29ypzlr

  3. June 19, 2011

    God is not a Christian is simple enough to keep me in agreement with Bishop Tutu. I did not even have to read his debate on that subject. But what he said to prove his point makes a lot of sense.

    However, we have to be careful not to accept what Bishop Tutu said, as if to say that God is a God of all muslims, Jews, Hindus, Budhists, Christians etc. For in the first place the majority of people say I believe, but “I believe” is not enough.

    I believe has to mean that by my faith I know God Almighty and His Ways of Love, that was demonstrated through the attitude and conduct God’s Person, Jesus Christ, or I am in that learning process.

    Hence God is the God of anyone who has accepted Him and is going through spiritual transformation by their faith and the influence of Father/Son–His Holy Spirit in their Life. “No one comes to the Father, but by Me” says Jesus Christ.

    In the early days God had no choice but to destroy the ancient world through a flood–because of the evil and wickedness as men did not know Him and His ways of Love. But He allowed 8 human beings to survive–like a tree stump–that He would nurture into production of the universal family which would become His chosen people.

    From the 8 people that God saved from that destructive flood, He chose the man Abraham, and He blessed him. Abraham is now known as the Father of all the nations. Among them was the nation of Israel–God’s chosen people, at the time.

    We may know that even if Abraham had other son’s including Ishmael, through the maidservant of his wife Sarah, God had planned to bring His chosen family–people–out of His promised Son to Abraham.

    Abraham, in his old age, asked God to bless Ishmael, as his heir, for he had lost hope in bearing anymore children–him and Sarah were in their old age and Sarah was barren.

    But God said to Abraham that Sarah would bear a son and that he should call him Isaac. So Isaac was the Son of Abraham through whom God made a promised or a covenant that would restore the “world”. People–all the nations

    When God spoke that New Covenant with His people through His prophet Jeremiah, He said: “I will put my Law in their minds and I will write it on their heart, I will be their God and they will be my people”.

    God’s people, before Jesus came into the world, were known as the children of Israel. Israel was first known as Jacob, and Jacob was the son of Isaac–the promised son to Abraham–the son of the New Covenant between God and His people–all those who would accept Him by faith in Jesus Christ.

    Jesus once told the Sadducees of His days, God is not the God of the dead, He is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, hence God is the God of the people or family of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

    How do people become the family of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob? Well from the beginning there is the original–the people from the nation of Israel, who accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Saviour.

    And now, through Jesus the Son, the people from all the nations are welcomed to becomes heirs of God, bonding into the family of God, originally known as the children of Israel-no matter what place in the world that they were born.

    The basic idea is faith in God, through Jesus Christ. As faith motivates one to maintain an intimate Love relationship with God Almighty, Eternal Spirit. However because of God’s Holiness, His person of flesh and bones, Jesus Christ, must be the channel.

    Any person can choose to become an heir of God, bonding in the family, the now spiritual children of Israel, as long as that person maintains a sincere Love relation with God, through His Person Jesus Christ.

    Unfortunately, too many people who call themselves Christians, have no idea what an intimate Love relationship with God is. So all they are doing is the functions of religion, perfoming good works by their own strength, not allowing God to do His work through them.

    For that reason alone, “God is not a Christian”, but there is more to it than that. God said to Moses I THAT I AM–God is whoever He has to be for the sake of saving the people He loves, and who love Him slso.

  4. REASONING
    June 17, 2011

    Christianity is full of hypocrisy and is founded on nothing else but myth,christmas is one of the biggest lie and myth of christianity.Another one one is the birth of JESUS by Mary without having sexual intercourse with Joseph yet still claiming that he is the father.Read the geneology of JESUS in Matthew chapter 1.The bible says no revelling,christianity celebrates one of the biggest revellery feast,carnival.They induldge in alcohol,drugs and all forms of illicit sexual activities,from the church hall to abomination.I can go on and on,Dominica is said to be a christian nation ,who leads it?A man who tells lies all the time,GOD hates a lying tongue.

  5. Jockers
    June 17, 2011

    Now that is a man among men, he got balls, not like some people here, who claim to be representing their God. Not the real GOD!

  6. kalalee
    June 17, 2011

    albert einstein/stven hawkins…the laws of gravity

  7. wisdom
    June 17, 2011

    I God a rastafari? or anything else?

  8. Time will tell
    June 17, 2011

    Desmond TUTU is very right. Please note the man is a bishop.

    God did not belong to any religion.It is not recorded anywhere in any bible that God claimed to be a Christian or belonged to any particular church.

    To take it further: God said that in six days he created the heaven and the earth and all what is within them. God never said that he named the first day Sunday neither did he call the second day Monday and the third day Tuesday etc.

    It was man who named the days so therefore any day can be chosen as the sabbath as no one really knows the name of the day on which God rested from his works. Some say the sabbath is Saturday while others claim it is Sunday. Some even keep the sabbath on Friday.

    God can not be a Christian because before Jesus came to the earth to be known as Jeus Christ God was already in existence. And please note that Christian is derived from the word Christ.

    • REASONING
      June 17, 2011

      Even if we should lose track of which day is the 1st or 7th,we can’t just decide any day to b the sabbath.Remember GOD said the 7th day is the sabbath not by counting any seven days,so there is a 7th day.I may agree with u in the bible days were not named,but they were numbered.To understand this,one has to read some history on how the days were named.

      • SGM
        June 17, 2011

        How do you know God said the 7th day is the Sabbath? There’s no reliable evidence

  9. Time will tell
    June 17, 2011

    Desmond TUTU is very right. Please note the man is a bishop.

    God did not belong to any religion.It is not recorded anywheree in any bible that God claimed to be a Christian or belonged to any particular church.

    To take it further: God said that in six days he created the heaven and the earth and all what is within them. God never said that he named the first Sunday neither did he call the second day Monday and the third day Tuesday etc.

    It was mea who named the days so therefore any day can be chosen as the sabbath as no one really knows the name of the day on which God rested from his works. Some say the sabbath is Saturday while others claim it is Sunday. Some even keep the sabbath on Friday.

    God can not be a Christian because before Jesus came to the earth to be known as Jeus Christ God was already in existence. And please note that Christian is derived from the word Christ.

    • Sure?
      June 17, 2011

      John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life,and the life was the light of men. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

      Psalm 107:20 He sent out his word and healed them,and delivered them from their destruction.

  10. Anonymous
    June 17, 2011

    this is y desmond tutu is my role model, the man is wise beyond his yrs and a true south african hero… he has done more for peace than even nelson mandela ( read his biography) and is still trying to bring peace to our disturbed world, a true man of God

  11. Concerned Citizen
    June 17, 2011

    Do all roads lead to heaven? Scripture says a lot on this. God may choose people to be in paradise with him from different religions and peoples. That is his choice. Those who we think are good or the top will be last it is written. I will share more on this..we just have to remember we will be judged one day and we will be rewarded for the choices we make and also Gods knowledge is beyond mans understanding.

  12. AmazingFace
    June 17, 2011

    @ Truth, Love, Peace: You don’t have to let your biases show so glaringly nuh…stupes…

    • Truth, Love, Peace
      June 17, 2011

      You are accusing me of something which I am not and never will be. Your respond is based on your limited and warped mind. What do you know? :twisted: :mrgreen:
      In fact, you do not know me therefore you should not make such a comment when you do not know the person, the writer. I also write the truth, the fact of the matter.
      I am not biased. I am stating the truth. THE TRUTH MUST BE TOLD. WE MUST NOT HIDE FROM THE TRUTH. WE MUST FACE THE TRUTH AND TELL IT LIKE IT IS.
      Some of you criticize other churches and their members and when you do it is OK for you do so. My dear mother had a saying: “Do so never like so.” Indeed! You have much to learn. We cannot go before God for our judgment in ignorance of the truth.
      The Kingdom of God is also made up of THE TRUTH.
      On that day we will know the truth and the ignorance of those who refused to believe the truth and denied it. God inspires!

  13. actions speak louder
    June 17, 2011

    The history of the Slave Trade and Slavery instructs us that the hierarchy of most of the churches at the time, missionaries, pastors, priests,Bishops, Popes, other religious heads teemed up with the Elite Class, and supported that evil system.

    Of course, the ordinary followers of those religious faiths, the poor, marginalised, powerless, voiceless, people had other thoughts about slavery and the dehumanizing treatment of African people.

    To see and hear what so called Christians adopt, do, support, take part in is totally opposed to good moral, ethical standards of living. Dominica is a vivid example of a So-called Christian country, where mental Slavery is embedded, where dictatorship is entrenching, where the Constitution and the Laws are disrespected, where corrupt practices are rampant, where institutions are heavily influenced politically and have lost their independence, crimes and violence are increasing and its business as usual.

    Which Christians and How many are seriously concerned about Electoral Reforms, the Provision of VOTER ID CARDS and the Cleaning Up of the Voters’ List, to ensure that our elections in Dominica are FREE and FAIR? How many of them in Power, in Govt. in Civil Society Organisations that have added their voices for the urgent need for providing Voter ID cards and cleaning Up the List? That would help the Independent Electoral Commission, in its conducting of elections, to properly identify all those eligible to vote in Dominica.

    How many Christians, who profess to love God and love to live in peace, are supporting Govt, not to respond to the genuine request of the Commission and the people of Dominica? They are giving support to the stubbornness of Skerritt not to ensure Free and Fair elections by refusing to provide the finance to provide Voter ID cards.

    • Truth, Love, Peace
      June 17, 2011

      This goes to show that you know absolutely nothing about Christianity.
      This article addresses what Desmond Tutu stated. It does not address the government of Dominica. Why can you not stick to the issue?

  14. Fundamentally Flawed
    June 17, 2011

    So where does Christ fit in? Many people do not acknowledge him as the Son of God, Lord and Saviour…

    Christianity is based on this, and NOT being of a particular religion.

    A Hindu, Pentecostal, Catholic, Rastafarian or Muslim that believes in Christ is a Christian. And this is all encompassing, transcending colour, creed and nationality.
    A Catholic or Pentecostal (for eg) that does not believe in Christ and rejects him is not a Christian.

    We must be careful.

    • Truth, Love, Peace
      June 17, 2011

      Fundamental Flawed

      What type of Christian teaching of all did you receive? Your words are indeed fundamentally flawed.
      If you are well-versed in Holy Scripture, the teaching of Our Lord Jesus Christ and that of the apostles, through their writings, you will know that Christianity is based on CHRISTIANITY and CHRISTIANITY ALONE and not on other religions. It is not based on Hindu, Islam and Rastafarian. God knows that too.
      In fact Hindu, Islam and Rastafarians are not religions. These do not recognize Our Lord Jesus Christ as Lord, King and Savior of the world. By no means do they worship Him. They are worshipping themselves.
      It is imperative that everyone believe in Our Lord Jesus Christ and worship Him that they may attain the Kingdom of Heaven.
      What other nonsense are you writing? Are you off your rocker? :twisted: :mrgreen:
      It is stupidity, what you have stated. A Catholic or Pentecostal that does not believe in Christ and rejects him is not a Christian? What??? What did you state???
      All those who call themselves Christians, baptized in The Name of God The Father, God The Son and God The Holy Spirit, at whatever age, have accepted Our Lord Jesus Christ. They may not all worship in the same manner but they are very well Christians. If they obey God’s Commandments, the Teachings of Our Lord Jesus Christ and “the religious teachings” of the church, they are destined for Heaven.
      All others who do not worship God, only God knows where there souls will end up.
      GET THIS STRAIGHT and cease your silliness!
      John 3:16 – For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him might not perish but might have eternal life.
      This also means to worship Him.
      There are too many who interpret Holy Scripture to suit themselves and their lifestyle.

      • SGM
        June 17, 2011

        1) You simply repeated yourself over and over 8-O
        2) You didn’t address what he was saying at all.
        3) Get an open mind because what you’ve written is not worth reading.
        Good day

  15. m
    June 17, 2011

    this is really thought provoking and i know lots of ppl will interpreat it wrongly

  16. simple mind
    June 17, 2011

    In humble opinion,Bishop Tutu’s thoughts are shared. Could readers please readover the last paragrath ?

  17. Truth, Love, Peace
    June 17, 2011

    A few days ago I heard on CNN what Desmond Tutu said about God not being a Christian God. I thought this is heresy. I do think that he has lost his marbles and that he may be suffering from Alzheimer’s disease, at his age.
    This is the type of teaching and books which cause others to doubt their Christian faith and to renounce it and some to cease practicing it.
    First of all Desmond Tutu belongs to a religion which Henry VIII established by being disobedient to his faith and renouncing his faith. He asked the Pope for a divorce from his wife, Catharine of Aragon because she did not bear a son which would be heir to his throne.
    Many of you should know the story of Henry VIII.
    A religion that was formed on imprisoning his first wife, Catharine of Aragon of Spain, denying her, her human rights because she did not bear a son where she died in prison.
    He beheaded two employees, John Fisher and Thomas Moore, Catholics as he who said: “I rather serve God”. They opposed him because he ill-treated his first wife, Catharine and refused to attend his marriage to another woman.
    He beheaded some of his wives.
    In view of this, as far as I am concerned this is not a true religion at all.
    God is patient!
    Furthermore after Henry VIII formed his church, he prosecuted the Catholics and desecrated Its Icons. Those who opposed him and refused to join his church were murdered.
    His followers, future Kings and Queens followed in his footsteps which is why today there is the rift between the Irish Catholics and Irish Protestants. They have left a trail of animosity and hatred.
    The Anglican Church was formed on the sins of Henry VIII. God did not give Henry VIII a mandate to form his own church.
    French missionaries traveled to the islands to establish Christianity, namely the Catholic Church.
    When the British and French fought to obtain countries of the West Indies and the British won, later the Anglican Church was established in the West Indies as in Dominica.
    In time, their heresy and that of Desmond Tutu will surface in their minds, in their words and later in their books.
    At the CHS I studied, in brief, the life of Henry VIII.
    In Toronto I went to the Library and saw a book about The Life of Henry VIII and another one pertaining to his wives. They are huge books. I borrowed them and read them. I concluded that Henry VIII was a mad man.
    I also borrowed a book, The Concise History of the Catholic Church. I read of all the atrocities which were committed against the Catholic Church. They are documented facts.
    IT PAYS TO READ! Knowledge comes from reading. However, be careful what you read lest it may lead you astray.

    • minnie
      June 17, 2011

      i dont think he has lost it, what infact i take from this, is that he is imploring us as Christians, if we truly believe that God created us all, will accept that he is the God of even the muslims and other religions. We may say it but do we truly live as if we believe that? many times we dont.

      I am Catholic, and i try not to judge any religion becuase i accept that for me to judge or criticise any religion i would have to first know all there is to know about my religion and faith.

      You mentioned about the ongoing rift between the Irish Protestants and Catholic…. do you see any difference between this ongoing war and the jihad that the Muslims are said to wage against christanity? they are both barbaric.

      and as christians we need to realise that our God is also the God of those who profess another faith.

      and you cant deny the fact that where in the world you are born will infact determine what your religous affiliations, so who are we to judge or condem others who by vertue of their birth in an (lets say) Islamc society grow up in that faith?

      • Truth, Love, Peace
        June 17, 2011

        Minnie

        Christians are people too with common sense. They are fully aware that God created everyone. As Christians we know it and do not have to be reminded of it. It is like teaching a child who is just learning to walk and talk. Adults know better. Therefore, it is futile to repeat what they already know and many practice “tolerance” to others and their faith, religion and beliefs when those people do not practice tolerance.
        However, some of them have chosen to reject God The Father and God The Son. God loves everyone for He is God. He has not rejected them. They have rejected Him.
        I have mentioned previously on this site of a Pakistani man whom I know told me that 600 years ago his people, his family were Christians. They were not Islam. Mohammed decided to form his own religion and persecuted the Christians and ordered to kill them to this day. You should know that. I do not have to repeat myself. Therefore, who are the ones who do not accept Christians? Who are the ones who create lack of peace in the world? Who are the ones who call us infidels and to kill all of us? Yet, we accept them and love them as human beings created by God.
        Christians do accept everyone and trust them too. These go without saying and I hope that Desmond Tutu was not referring to Christians or all Christians.
        There are conditions for obtaining eternal salvation as Our Lord taught us.
        It is the teaching of Our Lord Jesus Christ that we are obligated to accept people, whatever their race, color, creed, status and beliefs. Sadly, even some who call themselves Christians do not practice this godliness.
        Our Lord taught love, peace and unity. IT IS IN THE HOLY BIBLE! Granted there are some who do not practice it. Nevertheless, we are obligated to practice it otherwise it is a grievous/mortal sin which highly offends God and we will pay the price for our negligence which is also disobedience if we fail to practice it. Christians should always keep this in mind.
        There are those who criticize others and lambaste them for their religious beliefs and devotions. They are provoked and persecuted. Some of those who call themselves Christians are doing this. There is some hypocrisy in your words.
        Christians are persecuted and murdered in various parts of the world. As in Africa, they are dragged from their homes while they are sleeping and murdered. Who are the ones who are doing that? You should know, the Muslims. Do you not hear and read the news?
        Who are the ones who are not peaceful in the world? Who are the ones who cause terrorism and put fear in us? So much more could be stated.
        Desmond Tutu should address this to them, the perpetrators. Consider, too, the white race in slavery days beginning with America and South Africa, the latter to recent years.
        There are some people who do not live at peace, cannot live at peace and who will not allow others to live at peace. They are under the yoke of Satan.
        Let me inform you further. There are many who lack peace in their hearts. They do not make good neighbors; some not even good co-workers and Christians in this respect. These are the ones he is referring to. Whom the cap fits, wear it.

      • REASONING
        June 17, 2011

        I would really want to know how u all can affiliate the GOD of the universe with religion?This thing of one being religious and thinks he is doing the will of GOD is a myth.GOD created man and delivered all what we should do to be a GODLY being and all what should not be done which will condemn us to hell.It’not about being a Roman catholic a religion formed by men.Dominica is said to be a christian nation yet still look at the people who is being chosen to lead the island,very ungodly and evil men.

    • Eagle-Eye
      June 17, 2011

      “A few days ago I heard on CNN what Desmond Tutu said about God not being a Christian God. I thought this is heresy. I do think that he has lost his marbles and that he may be suffering from Alzheimer’s disease, at his age.”

      Is that what he said? Read and understanding before yapping and writing your long allelulia that makes no sense. This is not what the man said.

      He saying GOD is not ONLY for TWISTED people like you who think if you are not “Christian” then you can’t believe in GOD. He is saying the GOD that Christians think they have a monopoly on, is the same GOD of the Muslim, the HINDU etc.. You are the one who needs to get your marbles examined and master comprehension

    • Just Me
      June 17, 2011

      Truth, Love, Peace,
      I would say it is more important to watch how you read than what you read. Knowledge is always welcome but it must be filtered with truth, love and understanding. You obviously did not properly read Bishop Tut’s speech so you are commenting on your own mistaken imagninations of his speech. I am all for defending my Faith but it must be done with good sense or it subjects my religion to ridicule.

      • Truth, Love, Peace
        June 17, 2011

        Just me

        Do not misinterpret what I have stated. Who said that knowledge is not filtered with truth, love and understanding? There are of course some books which are not.
        I am intelligent enough to know which books to read that I will benefit from and which ones not to read.
        Among those I will not be reading are those which are not of my faith and which I have no interest to read and those that are not educating and godly enlightening.
        I will inform you, too, that Desmond Tutu’s books is not of interest to me and serves no useful purpose to me. I will not waste my money to purchase it. I have heard enough through the Media and read enough about it on this Website.
        So you think you alone have good sense? Cease misinterpreting what I have stated. :twisted: :mrgreen:
        There are some people who will accept anything that people say and write because someone who is deemed is a worldly popular person. I utilize my intelligence and good judgment which God gave me. This pertains to the type of movies I view and the type of TV programs. Know that some people possess a higher intelligence than others.

    • Ratatat
      June 17, 2011

      Truth Love and Peace -Boring and senseless as usual. Have you ever been to Paix Bouche. If not then consider Paix Bouche because you bore the heck out of readers on this site. You talk /write so muh about nothing and at the end of it all your contribution does not add anything to the discussion at hand. In fact you are a troll. No doubt

      • Truth, Love, Peace
        June 17, 2011

        Ratatat, a mouse and a cat in a bag.

        Exactly as you are. I do not expect any better from you.
        You are insulting and you too are boring. I would not like to meet you. I am certain that you have absolutely no intelligence and could not conduct a decent conversation much more to read intelligent writing.
        You writing tells a lot about you and that you are not a nice and respectable person. Learn to respect people and allow them their due rights, dignity and opinion.
        As Our Lord Jesus Christ said: “Do unto others as you expect them do unto you. You will do well to do that.”
        Do something good with you life that you will make a good citizen and useful to your country. Contribute something worthy which will benefit you, your country and nationals.

      • REASONING
        June 17, 2011

        Ratatat as u call yourself,why insult and disrespect others when yourself did not contribute anything to the issue at hand?U cause your writing to define your name.

    • the WHOLE Truth
      June 17, 2011

      I commend you on your exhaustive reading. I also want to continue searching for facts and learning history.

      You conviniently however forgot to mention the facts of the counter-reformation in regards to the persecution perpetrated byt he RC church.. or did you deem that out of context??

    • Anakwe
      June 17, 2011

      IT PAYS TO READ! Knowledge comes from reading. However, be careful what you read lest it may lead you astray… well said … please listen to your own advice, and be careful your reading does not make you more close-minded than you already are. Do some more reading on the atrocities done by the Roman Catholic Church, in the name of Christianity, created by the Council of Nicaea convened by the Roman Emperor Constantine I in the year 325 AD. same Romans who crucified Christ a mere 300 years earlier.

    • Gary
      June 17, 2011

      I will be very short in my reply to you this time. You mentioned that you went to the Toronto Library and read about The Life of Henry VIII, great, why don’t you one day go to the Library and read a Book about Christianity and how it was founded rather than just having someone or some institution telling you something, giving you a set of beliefs and symbols without you knowing where they come from or what they represent.The Religion called Christianity, most followers no nothing about, except as to what they are conditioned to believe..

      Oh, and by the way, knowledge does not only comes by reading and as to it leading you astry, what a nonsical thing to say. You know what leads people astry, following and accepting things blindly. One of the enemies of knowledge is pride, the ego they diminish wisdom, also arrogance and refusal to be open minded, and being caged in a box., but again you are entitled to what ever you want to believe. That is why a believer is like a bird in cage

      • Truth, Love, Peace
        June 17, 2011

        Gary,

        I expect that there will be those who will object. We are sharing opinions and not insults and attack on others. This is the manner it should be on this Website. Those who possess intelligence should know this and practice it.
        There are those who write negativity. They never write what is good and uplifting. They are always quick to criticize which is of no benefit to others. They cannot learn a thing from their writing.
        I love reading biographies of certain well-known people. The book about Henry VIII who has since long gone to his eternal judgment is history. It is taught in schools.
        There is a lot you do not know about Christianity. Christianity had to defend itself against its enemies, the agnostics, atheists, heretics and its other enemies.
        Christianity had to defend Christendom against those who attacked them.
        Christians do not hate others for nothing; what they have not done them. They do not murder people and while doing that say that God is great, a blasphemy to God, in itself.
        Gary, people like you lead others astray by your very words.
        What type of books do you read anyway?
        Please keep this in mind. Some of you write a lot of “fabrication” which depends on your mentality, knowledge and lack of godliness. I suspect that you are one of those.
        When you die and are faced with your judgment, the truth will be exposed to you and I am certain you will be saddened, to your eternal dilemma that you did not believe the truth and listen to the words of truth and that you did not insult others for their writing.
        For me as well, I do not appreciate negative people. I do not keep company with negative people. I do not waste my time with negative people. They can teach me absolutely nothing.
        St. Paul said: “Call them heretics and cease communication with them.”
        My advice to you is to think beyond and comprehend what I have stated which is not a lie.
        May God bless and grace you with enlightenment that you will conform your life to His Most Holy Will. God’s Peace be to you!

    • Ana
      June 17, 2011

      Did you also read the ones on the atrocities of the catholic church?

    • SGM
      June 17, 2011

      He’s absolutely right. You’re an idiot because:
      1) You’re attacking the man instead of the argument
      2)You’re straying from the topic at hand

  18. 1
    June 17, 2011

    circumstances have made us who we are.

  19. June 17, 2011

    well said Bishop….

  20. GCR
    June 17, 2011

    I have been having the same thoughts lately

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