Illegal adoption ‘big business’ in Dominica

 Joseph said there are many cases of illegal adoption between Dominica, Martinique and Gaudeloupe
Joseph said there are many cases of illegal adoption between Dominica, Martinique and Guadeloupe

Illegal adoption of Dominican children has become a ‘big business’ between Dominica and the French islands of Martinique and Guadeloupe.

This revelation was made by advocate for the protection and welfare of children, youth, women and the family, Francis Joseph at a film viewing and discussion on “Voices of Abused Children,” held last week at the University of the West Indies Open Campus.

He told the gathering of his first confrontation with the ugly issue when an 18-year-old mother came to him “crying that she didn’t realize that she had rights as a mother and she wants her baby back.”

“So I asked her what she meant that you want your baby back,” Francis said.

According to Francis the young mother told him that her mother suggested that she give her baby away to a couple in the neighbouring French island because “they can’t have children” of their own, and they “will have this baby taken care of.”

“Instinctively this mother is asking for her baby because she gave birth to this baby,” he stated.

Francis noted that he pursued the matter and the child was eventually located in Martinique by the French embassy and then reunited with the mother.

Francis pointed out that he has no problems with the adoption of children but noted that illegal means are being used to have these children enter the French islands.

“It so happen some of them will come, some of them that goes through that trafficking, will get a doctor’s certificate to indicate the child is sick and because they are French they take the child over indicating they going for medical treatment,” he stated.

Francis stated that the practice is particularly rampant among the Kalinago people and the community of Gutter.

He also said such illegal adoption practices are not unique to Dominica.

“I saw this in Bolivia, I saw this in Peru, I saw it in Hondurous, in Guatemala,” he remarked.

Francis noted that there are many unresolved cases of illegal adoption on the island and since he is not authorized to reveal names, he has left it all to the French embassy to investigate.

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80 Comments

  1. May 19, 2014

    I am concerned about the mother of this teenager.

    This 18 year old said she didn’t know she had “rights” as a mother. This sounds like her Mom led her believe she didn’t have a right to keep the baby as if she had to let it go for adoption.
    I am reminded of the abortion “clinics” in Canada. Again and again I have read or heard that the women who go into these places are railroaded into getting abortions. They are not told they have options or alternatives. The approach is to get them onto the table as quickly as possible before they change their minds. Of course there is a reason for this. They make their money by giving aboutionms. Why would they tak he womam out of it.

    • May 19, 2014

      Rev. Donald Hill (Continued…)

      (Sorry. I got going too fast and made a couple of spelling errors before hitting the Post key by mistake.) :oops:

      They make their money by giving abortions. Why would they talk the woman out of an abortion?

      Why would the mother of this teenager be so eager to arrange for her to give the baby to a couple it seems they did not even know? Where or how did her mother learn of this couple? Who served as the go-between?

      It seems there were others involved here. You can’t blame people for wondering if the mother received money $$$$$$
      for this transaction. It smacks of a business deal. I suspect the baby was sold. Please read the reasons why illegal adoptions are dangerous. Thank God there are people like Francis Joseph dedicated to fighting this criminal activity. Thank you DNO for helping to make the public aware of the dangers involved.

      I hope there will be a complete investigation that will answer these questions and bring closure for he sake of those who may presently be suffering and also for the sake potential victims in the future.

      Sincerely, Rev. Donald Hill. International Evangelist. Former Licensed Private Investigator.

  2. May 17, 2014

    Illegal adoption is dangerous.

    People adopt for a number of reasons. I expect most often it is because a couple want a child and are unable to conceive.

    Those who go the route of an illegal adoption unfortunately
    are those who (a) doubt they would qualify for a legal adoption, or have been turned down. Also (b) there are many who have waited a long time for a baby to become available and have given up.

    I am speaking here about individuals or organizations that pretend to be legitimate adoptions agencies and charge a fee often so large in reality it amounts to buying a baby. What I say here does not apply to individuals or couples who have a child they are unable to care for and arrange to have somebody they know and trust (usually a family member or members) care for and raise the child. (This need not be a problem.) An adoption if it is a legal adoption is different. Usually it requires a lawyer and goes though the courts. The new parents receive legal documents saying the baby is now theirs.

    Here are a few of the problems with illegal adoption.

    (1) People who traffic in illegal adoptions do not respect the law and are sometimes involved in other illegal activities. You cannot be sure of anything they tell you.

    (2) You cannot know the medical history of your chosen child. This poses two problems. First there may be a physical problem you are not aware of. Second in the future a doctor may want this information in order to best treat the child.

    (3) Depending on the circumstances you may be charged an inappropriate amount of money especially if it is done through an illegal agency. Some prices are literally off the charts and beyond reason. These people are doing it to make money, and that is the ONLY reason they are doing it.
    Often they are connected to other illegal operations such as kidnapping and baby smuggling. Worse still they sometimes use women they pay to produce babies to sell.

    (4) The child is not legally yours since you do not have a legal birth certificate or adoption papers.

    (5) Children who are illegally adopted were sometimes stolen or kidnapped. You have no certainty either the true parents or the police will not eventually find you and take the child. The adoptive parents can even be charged with stealing or kidnapping the child since they have no legal birth certificate or adoption papers.

    (6) The natural mother who gives a child up for adoption sometimes changes her mind later. In an illegal adoption she can look for the adoptive parents. If she finds them she can take the child back. Again they can even be charged with stealing or kidnapping the child since they have no legal birth certificate or adoption papers.

    (7) The adoptive parents (if the adoption is illegal) would probably have a problem obtaining a passport that included the child. When the child comes of age he or she may have a problem obtaining a passport. When you apply for a passport the government wants to know who you are: your birth date, place of birth, the names of parents, etc., etc.

    In a legal adoption there are laws in place to protect the adoptive parents. They need not worry about any of these things. When you adopt legally the law is on your side.

    Sincerely, Rev. Donald Hill. International Evangelist.

  3. Francisco Telemaque
    May 1, 2014

    ” Even saying that Jesus of Nazareth became the Son of God by adoption. He does not know the New Testament. I suppose he is not a Christian.” (Simple the Truth)!

    Wrong, wrong, wrong!

    If you wish to assassinate me for some crime that I have committed, I would gladly lay down my life, but whereas you have distorted what I wrote let me remind you that following that statement I categorically stated “I do not agree, with or believe that’ or something to the effect.

    Even a blind person reading me knows, and realized that I associated that to the origination of the words: “adoptionism, and adoptianism first used in 1874, which is one hundred (140) years ago. When the words were first used one of the definitions they claimed to be is: ” the doctrine that Jesus of Nazareth became the Son of God by adoption.”

    I am sure; dead sure, if you or anyone return and read what I wrote, they will find immediately after I associate that to the definition, I made the statement I do not agree with that, because Jesus is God, himself; and in fact let me reiterate Jesus Christ is God! It is alright to kid around a bit, but when you try to make it appear as the truth, and others read the original, and they find that you have distorted what I said, it will make you appear to be a liar, hence you will loose any little bit of credibility you may appear to have.

    Here Is What I wrote And Said Verbatim:

    And that was in response to Educator who drew to my attention I wrote adapt rather adopt!

    “The word adoptee; a word which came about in 1892: it means one that is adopted; adoption means the act of adopting; or the state of being adopted. I also know the meaning of the word “adoptionism” and or adoptianism, those two words were first used in 1874; such words indicates: the doctrine that Jesus of Nazareth became the Son of God by adoption, hence, we arrived at the word “adoptionist.”
    “And by the way I do not believe in Jesus was adopted, because Jesus is God himself.”

    So, I do not know how you can be so barefaced in distorting what I said like that, I wrote that yesterday it is still on the link; go back and read it and apologize, you owe me an apology!

    Francisco Etienne-Dods Telemaque

  4. blessings
    April 30, 2014

    @ hoho Illegal means wen some one is not going through the proper channel to adopt a child. Legal means to involve the court and welfare to settle proper documents between both parents and even changing the child’s surname.

  5. ohoh
    April 30, 2014

    What is an illegal adoption? Orbis he referring to baby smuggling? Illegal adoption would involve the court and welfare.

    • April 24, 2015

      Sorry!

      An illegal adoption would NOT involve the court. This is what makes it illegal.

      We are dealing here with a serious subject. Please read the news article. Do not respond unless you know what you are talking about

      Sincerely, Rev. Donald Hill. International Evangelist.

  6. blessings
    April 30, 2014

    Well illegal or not i am not giving away my children to nobody, not even to family members to raise for me. My mom did the same thing by giving my brother and i away and i never had a connection up to day with my mom that put a void in my life. I am not putting my children through this NEVA. Thank god he bless me with four beautiful children whom i love dearly.

  7. budman
    April 30, 2014

    this actually happens in other islands as well. I will not say it is predominantly Kalinago, but i personally know of a case where a lady from Antigua who was visiting friends in DA was literally handed a baby from a Kalinago mother and asked to take her back to Antigua. just like that. the child living in Antigua for 20 plus years now. at the time the story sounded so crazy to me until the “adopted” mother confirmed it to me herself! naturally i asked how the hell did you get the child out of DA and into ANU. basically the emigration and immigration of both countries was quite slack back then.

  8. kamala
    April 30, 2014

    well all I can say is that if these facts are true then it is a reflection of the level of poverty in Dominica. the only sensible cause of that problem is poverty, no one would give up their children if they are financially comfortable.

  9. Tri-State Beauty
    April 30, 2014

    Mr Francis thank you so much it was about damn time!! Listen up folks while poverty may play a role, most times no money exchange hands. It’s false hopes and promises that these children will have a better life. These people from the French islands are not interested in negro kids, it’s the Kalinago children they are fascinated with. As soon as these kids start growing up they begin to mistreat and enslave them, many of them being thrown out on the streets as teenagers to fend for themselves. They have no connection to their families back home, no legal documentation and no identity to Guadeloupe/Martinique. It’s very sad.

    What is even worse there have been Dominicans who have helped in this crime to steal the peoples’ children like the case of the woman from Anse-de-Mai-/her employer from Petit Canal and the girl from Atkinson. Needless to say that child was returned to Dominica because a few of us got involved when it was brought to light by a relative. She was later legally adopted by her biological aunt on her dads’ side from Woodfordhill and lives in England with two other siblings.

  10. Dominican UK
    April 30, 2014

    Can any one please fill me in how did the blame of mothers who choose to give their babies away fall on the Gov. please explain to me why mothres in the developed countries give their babies away. Come on let us address the situation whilst I agree that we do need more services in DA to address these issues I believe that people are responsible for their own decision, her mother forced her to hand her child over not the PM.
    Years ago people carried out the very same practice it was called extended families now we say adoption Skerritt was not around.
    I know of many persons who were brought up by a ma somebody not their mother lots of people were scvhooled by someone who could assist them.
    leave Skerrit and other leaders alone be it this party or the opposition.
    i say grow up and take your own responsibility. Allyou get child Skerrit should maintain allyou child.
    Allyou are homeless Skerrit that do that.
    Allyo do have food Skerrit that do that.
    Why should he allow his wife to give birth in DA could you imagine the long tongue people on your Island they would say what they they didn’t see

    • latitude80
      May 1, 2014

      Whaw !! what a silly comment!! It is the Authorities which means the Government duty to protect the people especially the most vulnerable such as a baby who cant even speak up for his or her defense. its to easy!! How do the children leave the island? It can only be tolerated and accepted if the child or children leaving the island whether for adoption or medical assistance be documented by the authorities which mean the government!!first all persons leaving our entering the island has to have some form of identification especially babies and children.which would be checked on departure or entry for body count.when you purchase a air fare to travel you must mention that you are traveling with a child.this child has a name and family name which should be mentioned. if the family name is mentioned it must be of the same to move the child off the island. If not the same as the adult traveling with that child or children then would have to present some sort or form of documentation showing that they were given the legal authorization noted by the parents of child or children stamp and approved by the local authorities.unless if they were smuggled out of the island, then it should and would be kidnapping and human trafficking. before getting on that transport to leave the island whether air or sea there are formalities checking out or in, which means a formal check that all is in order document wise to travel. I really hope that the government are taking these sad tragic cases as priority!!and will do its best to help the mothers and fathers to keep their children in safe and legal travel whether for visit to families abroad or adoption including medical issues. I know as a fact that it is extremely difficult to bring any child under the age of eighteen into french territory without identification and controlled authorization from their parents if it happens then it would be considered as kidnapping and human trafficking which are very serious offences!!

  11. Anonymous
    April 29, 2014

    8) :lol: :lol:

  12. Rootsman
    April 29, 2014

    Mr. Joseph knows what he is talking about. He has worked for countless years in a Child Development organization – CCF and ChildFund and knows about its affiliated project in Castle Bruce (East Dominica Children’s Federation now) which has over 50% of Kalinago children and their families enrolled in its program.
    For those who do not believe, just walk through the Kalinago Territory, visit a school and talk to a parent or teacher or anyone in the community, ask them for any adoption story and you will be given a name who was adopted at an age and right now nothing is being heard about that child.
    There are parents who can tell you, “I have a lost child. They said, they will take the child with them for medication visit and the child will be back after two weeks. my child had a cold. A document was signed and they promised to put light in my house and buy me a fridge. they gave me a telephone number but although they were the ones who wrote the number on the paper, when i call, i am not hearing anything. no one is answering,”
    There is no doubt that some adopted children remain in the foreign and have become professionals but despite their success, they refuse to associate themselves with their biological families in the Kalinago Territory, As well, there are some children who were adopted who are back here and had to start their lives all over again in a state of confusion.
    I support Mr. Joseph because I know what he is talking about. Even though some changes were made to the adoption process, some children are still being adopted or taken away or lured from their families on promises as if the child is a commodity of trade. Just recently, arrangements including signing of papers etc were made with a foreign nationals while the baby was still in the womb. The baby was born this month (April) and after literally five days, the baby was packaged and delivered to the foreign nationals. This happened right in the Kalinago Territory!
    How can a baby be given away before it is born to someone without any comprehensive background check? Who knows what they want the poor babies for?

    • Anonymous
      April 29, 2014

      I fully understand and agree with your perspective but these people are taken advantage off because of their lack of knowledge or know how or whatever you choose to term it legal adoption can be a long process who is going to do this background check on the strangers?

    • Tri-State Beauty
      April 30, 2014

      You are so right, he knows what he is saying indeed. I have had a first hand view of this crime. It’s truly sad and must stop.

  13. Simply the Truth
    April 29, 2014

    There are two solutions to this:

    One, that the D/can authorities in cooperation with Guadeloupe and Martinique authorities investigate this situation.

    Two, that child-bearing D/can women be educated about keeping their children and not allowing them to be illegally adopted.

    • 100% truthful
      April 30, 2014

      So @Simply the Truth, The government has no major role to play eh? You simply want the authorities of Guadeloupe and Martinique to investigate? Is that how we deal with an illegal practice? Well I guess you need to suggest to the local authorities that all they need to do is investigate the illegality of marijuana and take no steps to address it. You guys are so hypocrite and bent on defending the government.

      • Anonymous
        April 30, 2014

        Now who would the D?can authorities be?? SMH Talk about none soooo 100% blind as will not see!

      • 100% truthful
        April 30, 2014

        @Anonymous, I always heard that it’s better for people to think of you as a fool than for you to open your mouth and confirm that you are one indeed.
        I know very well that by authorities investigating @Simply the Truth was referring to the government. But if you read carefully what he said and my question to him, you will realize that I was referring to what next after the investigation. Example, if all the authorities do is investigate marijuana and take no decisions based on their investigation, they would have wasted time. Similarly all Simply the Truth is suggesting is that government investigates it but takes no steps to address it. Do you believe it will solve the problem?

  14. Kalinago
    April 29, 2014

    Mr. Francis, I do not know where you got your information from that Kalinagos are RAMPANTLY giving away their children ILLEGALLY to French people because like other communities around Dominica, we do not have baby-making factories in our community.

    There are a FEW children from the Kalinago community who have indeed been LEGALLY adopted by French persons from Guadeloupe and Martinique and by that I mean that a process was followed which involved a background check, medical evaluations of the children and LEGAL name changes in Dominican courts with Dominican lawyers, which involved all parties. I know because one of my sisters underwent the process and now she is grown, happy, university educated and all. Despite no longer being legal sisters, we do keep in touch and she visits.

    • grell
      April 30, 2014

      Kalinago i guess your guilty,you all do make too many kids when you know you all cant take care of the child,practice protecting the youn women first.

      • Kalinago
        April 30, 2014

        NO, my sister was adopted by a couple who is a friend of my mothers and who visits us. This happens not only in the Kalinago Territory so off with your ignorance about making too many kids. Even if there are many who do, you do not find them dead and aborted before they are born though!

        THAT you cannot hold against us. That is for black women!

    • Wait
      April 30, 2014

      Really??? Legally sisters??….so your mother or father illegal…..smh. Lol at our ridiculousness.

    • BUTTTTTT
      April 30, 2014

      I know persons from other villages that when to the territory and came back with kids…….just like that

  15. 100% truthful
    April 29, 2014

    This is a sign that many Dominicans have given up on a future for their children in Dominica and don’t mind doing what it takes to ensure their children find a way out of the catastrophic and desperate situation the DLP has put us under. But then again, can we blame these poor mothers for trying to get their little ones out of Dominica? After all, they saw how the man responsible for the mess in Dominica treated his little boy when it was time to give birth. Unlike Skerrit himself, who had the big money to fly wifie to the USA to escape the very dark future he has placed Dominica under, these poor people have no sense of hope. But I am quite sure all these misfortunes will change when Team Dominica takes over come election day. FEAR NO MORE People! There is still hope. Linton knows his children are born Dominicans and he will do everything to bring hope to his children’s children as well as ours.

    • Simply the Truth
      April 29, 2014

      Pertaining to this article, your comment is out of place and unfounded.

      • 100% truthful
        April 29, 2014

        @ Simply the truth, Are you normal Mr Bible Man? How in the world my comment is out of place and unfounded? According to the article and I quote ““I saw this in Bolivia, I saw this in Peru, I saw it in Hondurous, in Guatemala,” he remarked. My friend, when you look at the countries mentioned above, poverty and hopeless were the key reasons for such illegal practices. Is it not a FACT that Roosevelt Skerrit flew wifie to the USA to give birth to their son? ‘It’s a boy’ – PM announces birth of son
        Dominica News Online – Wednesday, November 27th, 2013 at 12:48 PM Prime Minister, Roosevelt Skerrit and his wife, Melissa have announced the birth of their son, Dmitry Roosevelt Skerrit. Dmitry was born at 9:48 am on Wednesday. Unfortunately they did not mention the place of birth but we all know where he was born. Unfounded? Man, go study and live the bible and repent for the many times you have knowingly attempted to defend and cover the lies and corrupt practices of this DLP. You know better that and the bible says he that knoweth to do good and doeth it not, shall be beaten with many stripes Lk. 12:47. How could people that claim to be bible believing defend so much ungodliness?

    • BEB
      April 29, 2014

      Team Dominica will not last a full term , if and when ever they would win the election, so 100% truthful ! continue dreaming ur dreams

      • Simply the Truth
        May 1, 2014

        This person acts as if he/she is the only one who is 100%truthful. He/she would like to be truthful.
        It reminds me of a joke, “A soldier was matching in line with other soldiers. He said, the others were out of step except him.” This is what presumptuous people assume. They are the only correct ones, speaking against the PM and no one must counteract them. Others must agree with them.
        They mind the business of the PM too much. They cannot make a comment without mentioning his name, making their comments out of place in the article. The article is about illegal adoption why do they not stick to the issue? I feel these people will be punished.

    • uwp
      April 29, 2014

      fool ,this has been happening long time ago ,even before labour was in power if u have nothing good to say keep your thoughts to your self.

    • Anonymous
      April 30, 2014

      Uwp cannot separate truth from fiction. They have no clue.

  16. JoJo
    April 29, 2014

    You can all say what you like about improvements in the country but if this isn’t a manifestation of poverty I don’t know what is! For sure the people of Martinique and Guadeloupe don’t sell their children in Dominica. This has nothing to do with political colours, our social services are failing and we MUST change things

    • Simply the Truth
      April 29, 2014

      What is your problem? People in progressive countries as the US even sell their children for money. Are they better than D/cans?” By no means.

      • JoJo
        April 30, 2014

        …and you are a catholic?? Enough said.!

  17. 100% truthful
    April 29, 2014

    Does Dominica have a minister for health? Do we have a Minister for national of national security that fights to protect our citizens? Do we have a Minister responsible for women affairs? Do we have a minister responsible for kalinago affairs? If yes, does he know that “The practice is particularly rampant among the Kalinago people? according to Mr. Joseph? No wonder they all acting like momoos in the cabinet and cannot say a thing about the child abuse problem. Now I understand why Skerrit said the other day that mothers would call him at 2:am to tell him they wanted how many thousands to fly their sick babies to Martinique. Hmmm

  18. Jah Police
    April 29, 2014

    Who does Mr. Joseph represent? What organisation? Not Childfund?. But seriously who does he work for? What is the name of the organisation?????

    • Simply the Truth
      April 29, 2014

      Child Find?

      • Jose
        April 30, 2014

        They sack him.

      • Malgraysa
        May 1, 2014

        Do you guys ever think of the children instead of lambasting the messenger? This really is not about mr. Joseph but about defenceless and innocent children.

    • BRAIN DAMAGE
      April 30, 2014

      Jah, are you one of those smugglers?

    • King Lion
      April 30, 2014

      Stick to the issue, the questing you are asking is not the issue.

  19. Shaka Zulu
    April 29, 2014

    Not sure to call it illegal adoption or baby smuggling. Why are you only leaving for French embassy to investigate when the problem starts in Dominica? Guess you refering to french embassy in Dominica???
    Should be a concern to every appropriate Authority. What role does our child welfare department play?
    Sad realy sad

  20. Just a suggestion
    April 29, 2014

    Illegal adoption sounds too nice and civilized, like someone forget to sign a paper or spelt the child’s name wrong during the adoption process. Call it what it is, SELLING DOMINICAN CHILDREN!!! Let’s start there.

  21. Lu-Belle
    April 29, 2014

    I knew a Dominican woman who had babies like a cat. She didn’t keep any of them, but shipped them off to her Aunt in the States to raise them. Not Cool … Not Cool At All!!
    At least the families in Martinique WANT these children and aren’t just stuck raising some fool’s kids because nobody else will. Sick!

    • winston warrington
      April 30, 2014

      Please try something to arrest your stupidity. People can’t just ship children like cargo to the US; obviously, the relative in the US had agreed to sponsor them because she was able to prove to ICE that her economic situation was favorable.

  22. Anonymous
    April 29, 2014

    Mr Joseph should not give the impression that those so called illegal adoptions from Dominica ends up like legal adoptions in Guadeloupe and martinique. As a former employee of the French consulate in Dominica, any “adoption” that does not follow the law of the land which the child hails from has little or no chance of becoming a legal adoption in the French territory. Further the French law makes it mandatory to follow the guidelines with regards to procedures for bringing a child into the French territory. A few years ago it was made even more difficult for people to adopt from dominica

    • 100% truthful
      April 29, 2014

      @Anonymous, you said this? “A few years ago it was made even more difficult for people to adopt from dominica” Well, a few years ago we had a legal Dominican as PM. That’s not the case today as we have an illegal French PM. How many things have changed in Dominica since after 2004 when both Rosie and Peirro passed on!

    • Anonymous
      April 29, 2014

      I was there and he did not such thing… in fact he actually gave example of what happen to these children. When they have to account for themselves in the school system and have no proof of citizenship/residency etc. they are usually shipped back to Dominica., where they do not know their family and do not speak the English.

  23. Lu-Belle
    April 29, 2014

    Are we supposed to feel sorry for a person who can’t afford back and neck, but keeps having children? That’s willfull child abuse … “Born to Suffer” because your mother doesn’t know, or care, what causes children is not an excuse. It’s just cruel and selfish…and gross ignorance.

    • Reader
      April 29, 2014

      Lu-Belle, my question to you is, why are people poor?

  24. Francisco Telemaque
    April 29, 2014

    “He told the gathering of his first confrontation with the ugly issue when an 18-year-old mother came to him crying that she didn’t realize that she had rights as a mother and she wants her baby back.”

    I do not believe such crap talk not for even one second!

    Unless, this eighteen year old is artistic, stupid or something, never been to school, nor ever heard the word adoption before; how could someone say they did not know they have rights as a mother. This does not make any sense. Mother hen hatches her chickens, and become their protector from day one; knowing that the young chickens belong to them.

    How can a human being, born in Dominica where we at least have an scholastic and educational system not know of their rights as a parent? I suspect Joseph simply wish to blow off hot air which has very little to do with the adapting of children in Dominica. And by the way; do they have a law in Dominica prohibiting the adaptation of children in our country? The more I read this crap is the less sense it makes to me.

    A mother suggesting that a daughter give her child away to a couple who cannot have children and the adaptation of a child are totally two different things; and this crap about “I seen this in Bolivia” he is talking about is far different to the crap Joseph is talking about Dominica. He is talking fart about doctors get involved in writing false recommendation stating child have to go and get medical care; why would a doctor have to get involve in that when there are no restrictions on children leaving the country?

    If he is trying to make it appear as is he is concerned about population growth in Dominica, whether they leave as children, or as adults they all leave anyway! I wonder, how come we have not heard about this out of control of Martinique and Guadeloupe people adopting Dominica children, we are only learning of this since you attended some so called meeting which you claimed to have attended!

    Any dumb crap that will divert the attention of the people from the real issues screwing up the life’s of the people. What is the name of the eighteen year old child, and others, and what attracted them to visit you and cry, and complain. Seems more like a lie to me: Hashanah!

    Francisco Etienne-Dodos Stalemate

    • Educator
      April 29, 2014

      FET, we are talking about ADOPTION (not adaptation).
      Also the word is AUTISTIC (not artistic).

      Stop making a mess of the English language.

      • Francisco Telemaque
        April 30, 2014

        Okay Educator, my purpose is not to argue right or wrong here, you seems to have forgotten people do error; I am not perfect like you, but never underestimate the other person, because an error made is not always the true representation of the person who made the error, the following will allow you to find out that I am not an idiot!

        The word adoptee; a word which came about in 1892: it means one that is adopted; adoption means the act of adopting; or the state of being adopted. I also know the meaning of the word “adoptionism” and or adoptianism, those two words were first used in 1874; such words indicates: the doctrine that Jesus of Nazareth became the Son of God by adoption, hence, we arrived at the word “adoptionist.”

        And by the way I do not believe in Jesus was adopted, because Jesus is God himself.

        Then again we have the word “adoptive” which means “made or acquired by adoption; tending to adopt, or relating to adoption.

        Be informed adopt implies accepting something created by another, or foreign one’s nature okay. The other word I intended to use was “autism” which implies preoccupation with inner thoughts, such as daydreams, fantasies, delusions, and hallucinations; egocentric, subjective thinking lacking objectivity, and connection with reality. The word is also interchangeable with dereism, although different in emphasis; called also autistic thinking, or autistic disorder.

        I hope my comments her have cleared me from you lists of idiots, and no nothing! I am in a habit of not editing when I dictate, and write, that is why I submissions contain so many errors.

        Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

        Have a nice day.

        Francisco Etienne-Dods Telemaque

      • Simply the Truth
        May 1, 2014

        :lol: :lol: :lol:

      • Simply the Truth
        May 1, 2014

        I thought Telemaque was smarter than that. Even saying that Jesus of Nazareth became the Son of God by adoption. He does not know the New Testament. I suppose he is not a Christian.
        Telemaque has it all wrong and the other way around. He is an adopted son of God. We are adopted children of God; not Our Lord Jesus Christ, our King and Saviour.
        Our Lord said “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. I am in the Father and the Father is in Me. All things are handed to Me by my Father.”
        Therefore, how could He be an adopted son? Telemaque says whatever he wants to say. He is living in spiritual ignorance. In any case, it is blasphemy to make such a statement about Our God, comparing him to us earthlings. I forgive Telemaque for he knows not what he says as always. :)

    • Anonymous
      April 29, 2014

      You and your novel, comment not book……oh I did not care to read…

      • Francisco Telemaque
        April 29, 2014

        Only two people in the world I know would respond to any comment I make; you can run but you cannot hide:

        “oh I did not care to read…”

        That gave you away; but you should know by now I do not care if either of you read my comments. Both of you are two little weasels eh! So small I cannot see you two.

        You are a slave!

        Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

        Francisco Etienne-Dods Telemaque

      • JoJo
        April 30, 2014

        Francisco you are losing the plot man! You have a habit of using a lot of words to say little but I would always read you. But to react in such a venomous way to rightful criticism does not earn any respect at all.

    • Anonymous
      April 29, 2014

      He was talking about indigenous people… like our Kalinago… as they say knowledge is power and no some people do not know their rights… believe it or not… its easy for persons who do know better to take full advantage of women like her. From the story I gather that when Mr. Joseph advised her of her rights and opened her eyes to the fact, she became embolden and took action… please don’t be so quick to judge the ignorant.

    • April 29, 2014

      Why are you so negative mr know it all.are you the smartest man DA .you act like you know everything and no one else know’s.And stop being political in everything that you comment on.

    • Anonymous
      April 30, 2014

      FET? Is that an epithet? Is that an adaptation :-D ? Is FET artistic :-P? Wey papa. Will someone send the man a thesaurus or at least help with the proofing. Anyway his posts do provide one with a sense (false maybe) of intellectual superiority and boy do i enjoy reading them (sarcasm perhaps).

      Does this have anything to do with the article? Nope. Just a brother taking his kicks and a little poke at people who need to understand that (FET maybe) that one only knows what one knows. There is a lot of stuff out there that one should LISTEN to. The intelligent person listens first.

      • Francisco Telemaque
        April 30, 2014

        Go away, I do not have any time to spare oui; busy helping my grandson making funeral arrangement to bury his father, another crazy veteran gunned down last Friday morning about this same time.

        They both saw combat in Iraq, and Afghanistan, maybe they all returned messed up in the head. If you wish to fight, the war is not yet over in Afghanistan a tour of duty there will do you well, and maybe; just maybe you will not return, and I will get you out of my hair!

        Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!

        FET.

  25. April 29, 2014

    We must ask our selves ,why are there children for adoption in martinique ,guadeloupe and the citizens from these islands choose dominica to adopt children?the french gov’t is very strict as to who they allow to adopt children…if these people from these islands are not allow to adopt it’s simply because there is something wrong in their life,,it is not financial nor race but something deeper as far as their life styles are concerned ,,where as dominica have no means to know what type of people they are..
    child adoption is not to be taken lightly because some children that were adopted all around the would have been sexually ,mentally ,physically abused and are even thrown out on the streets…here where i live a little girl who was adopted by her mother’s cousin from africa was burnt with cigarettes,hot water,beaten with a bicycle chain,put to sleep in the bath tub wrapped in a rubbish bag,kept away from school .till the last beating was the last ,,she died ,,,take this for a lesson not all children that are adopted are well treated…gov’t needs to step up and register every pregnant woman and their children .make sure that social workers visit them without telling them that they are coming ,,,because some parents when ever they know that social workers are coming they clean the house ,bathe and dress the children while they pretend to be nice parents…this is a very serious matter that should not fall on death ears.

  26. City Girl
    April 29, 2014

    What do you Mr Joseph when you have mouths to feed and no money to buy back & Neck?

    • Bogoroy
      April 29, 2014

      Stop producing mouths to feed and work and then work again to feed those whom you have.

    • Anonymous
      April 29, 2014

      Put a cap on it…..cause if on is unable to eat Back and Neck how can two eat……

    • JoJo
      April 30, 2014

      If you can’t afford to look after children, don’t make them in the first place. It is not fair on the children.

  27. Catarina
    April 29, 2014

    This is not a new problem for a long time now this has been going on.

  28. FED UP
    April 29, 2014

    Create a way to facilitate legal adoptions and it will reduce, if not eliminate, this activity.

    • Anonymous
      April 29, 2014

      There is a way to facilitate legal adoption… It’s done through the Registry Division, under the Ministry of Tourism and Legal Affairs.

      • Anonymous
        April 29, 2014

        Anonymous: – What…?????????…..Registry Division, under Ministry of Tourism and Legal Affairs,,,,????????????

        Since when, by whom and how…
        What about Welfare Division..????????

      • Francisco Telemaque
        April 29, 2014

        Well, since the tourism minister is involved, we know that Murphy’s law will be in effect: To those who have never heard of Murphy’s law, be aware in Murphy’s it is said anything that can go wrong; will go wrong!

        Nothing positive comes out of Murphy’s law.

        And since we dealing with a man who only knows how to read fro right to left, and upside down what do you people expect?

        Anything Ian Douglas is involved into will, and must go wrong oui!

        Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!

        Francisco Etienne-Dods Telemaque

      • May 19, 2014

        This is not going to stop illegal adoptions. What is needed is more co-operation from the public and stronger law enforcement.

        The people who seek an illegal adoption do so because they either don’t qualify for a legal one, or they got tired waiting for a child to become available.

        They happen two ways (1) between two couples or (2) between a couple and an illegal “agency”. These “agencies”
        are sometimes international operations. They may involve stealing babies, kidnaping, or using paid surrogate mothers :twisted: to bare children for them to sell.

        Couples who do not qualify for a legal adoption are or have grown tired of waiting for a baby to become available will sometimes do an illegal adoption even if there is a legal adoption system in place in their country. If they are desperate enough they are sometimes willing to take their chances with the dangers.

        When a couple do not qualify for a legal adoption there are reasons why they do not qualify. This is one reason why an illegal adoption is so dangerous for the child. A couple would not pay the high price of buying a baby if they were able to adopt legally. Sadly, the child sometimes pays an even higher price.

        Grieving mothers who have recently lost a child have been known to snatch a baby out of a carriage or from a hospital. They sometimes fall prey to illegal “agencies” or those who sell babies on the black market if they don’t qualify for a real adoption or can’t wait for a child to become available.

        Sincerely, Rev. Donald Hill. International Evangelist.

    • Lapo Layza
      April 29, 2014

      There is a legal way to adopt children in Dominica. If you think it’s not in place you’re wrong. I urge you and other persons thinking of adopting children to go through the legal channels. Start by enquiring at the welfare division.
      These people are going the illegal way because money changes hands. We are basically selling our children so we can live in style for a few months.
      I would like to urge the immigration,and police officials to be more vigilant especially when children are leaving the island. To the medical practioners who are writing false medical documents to facilitate the sale of our children to think of what they might be helping to subject these children to. Among these are sexual abuse, pornography, and even slavery as house keepers. Is it worth the fist full of dollars(U.S), euros that you are being paid? What if one of these little ones was your grand child?
      What are the authorities doing to stem the illegal adoptions?

      • Anonymous
        April 30, 2014

        I’m a dominican living in France,I meet a girl from Da, who was given to a french lady, because her mother thought it would be best for her, but instead it was hell, she was a slave and sleeping with the pigs, some of you might think it’s a joke, but it’s the truth, while in Marie Galante i heard about and saw her while she was still a child, she was saved by the mayor who was in place at that time, anyway she has grown to be a beautiful young woman, working and living in France, As a Dominican they will not let me adopt, they prefer strangers, Here in France a person have to wait about 5 yrs, becaus most of them want’s to adopt from Africa, So mothers don’t think that some of your kids are living a wonderful life,, not all

    • Bogoroy
      April 29, 2014

      The way already exists!

    • April 29, 2014

      there is a legal way but the lawyers charging so much and they not working as fast as possible. They tell u things will be ready in 3 weeks and then 3 weeks come you have to go back to work and nothing is done .

      • Lapo Layza
        April 30, 2014

        Three (3) weeks to facilitate an adoption? Ou ka fou? Peuple Doinique, zor toutes fou? I would like the welfare division (Department) to publish a list of the criteria for adoption in Dominica. Here are a few other things i would like to see (a) Introduction of laws (if they do not exist) to severely punish all persons involved in the sale of Dominican children to any one. (b) Revoking the licences of any professional, lawyer, doctor, etc and bar them from ever practicing in Dominica and Caricom /OECS again if they are found guilty of participating or faciliting such activities. No exceptions. (c) A revamped welfare division with more manpower and more resouces backed by the laws of the land to fight down this scourge affecting our nation. (d) give teachers /nurses the legal authority to stop any child from leaving our shores without proper documentation. Arrest and jail anyone who wilfully allows the smuggling of our future out of the island without proper scrutiny.All jail terms must be a mandatory 15 years. No clemency.

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