OECS discusses LGBT stigma and discrimination

The meeting is being held in Grenada
The meeting is being held in Grenada

Is litigation around the criminalisation and lack of recognition of the human rights of lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and queer people, currently possible in the countries of the eastern Caribbean? This was the main question under interrogation as lawyers joined activists representing the rights of LGBT people from September 21 – 23, 2015 in Grenada.

Addressing the very real stigma and discrimination faced by LGBT citizens is at the heart of the OECS Litigation and Advocacy Strategy Meeting, co-organised by United and Strong Inc., Saint Lucia and GrenCHAP, Grenada, with direction from Saint Lucian Attorney-at-Law Veronica Cenac.

“We must address the human rights of LGBT citizens in the OECS and we are on a path to full recognition of these human rights through litigation and advocacy,” says Janice Stephen, Vice-President of the Board of United and Strong.

She says of the process, “It was a positive experience. The first two days were informative for me as an activist as it highlighted some of the contradictions in the constitution, and opportunities and barriers in the law. But it was not only about the law over these few days it’s clear that the LGBT community has individuals that can stand up for us.”

Participants have experience working in or with human rights-based organisations in countries that include Dominica, Antigua, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Vincent and Barbados.

They have, through their work, direct knowledge of the deleterious effects of criminalisation on adult same sex relationships and gender non-conforming people, and are well-placed to identify challenges and map the way forward.

Also among the thirty-three participants were persons sharing experiences of litigation in Jamaica and Belize. Representatives of CVC, Heartland Alliance, Arcus Foundation, Human Dignity Trust, Open Society Foundation and the Canadian HIV AIDS Legal Network brought a wealth of knowledge on, and resources for, litigation and advocacy within the Caribbean.

Damarlie Antoine GrenCHAP’s Director of Research states, “There’s no argument, not religious nor legal, that can justify the continuous discrimination and dehumanisation of OECS citizens including Grenadians based on gender identity or sexual orientation. It is due time for our governments to take a stand against the prejudice and discrimination meted out to our citizens based on gender and sexual orientation. Quiet diplomacy hasn’t worked and democracy has arguably regressed in the Caribbean, so now human rights have to be demanded through legal challenges”

The discussions were anchored by Cenac, with over 17 years’ experience in related legal work and a long history of contribution to the movement. She said the discussions were “the beginning of a move among LGBT activists in the OECS and Barbados to demand the extension of basic human rights protections to them. There is no rational basis for the exclusion of citizens under Constitutions that seek to protect all citizens. Documented violence and abuse against LGBT persons or any other minority is unjustifiable in democratic societies founded on the rule of law and principles of human dignity.”

The three-day meeting is expected to be the beginning of a long process that includes extensive research and development, ultimately leading to legal protections from discrimination against same-gender loving and gender non-conforming citizens of the Eastern Caribbean and recognition of the human rights of all.

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100 Comments

  1. October 20, 2015

    I have no way of verifying the following report. I read it in Canada from a supposedly dependable source.

    It said 80% of the black voters in the US do not believe in abortion. Yet 80% of the black voters in the US voted for Obama. Obama promotes abortion.

    These people voted for Obama because he is black with no regards for his morals or values, or lack thereof. People danced in the streets of a Kenyan village the night Obama became president. Not because a godly man would be leading the greatest nation on earth but because he was one of them.

    What human \’\’rights\’\’ do LGBTQ people not have? They have the same \’\’rights\’\’ the rest of us have including the \’\’right\’\’ to marry somebody of he opposite gender. There are laws that regulate marriage stating who NONE of us are allowed to marry. These laws apply equally to all of us.

    Sincerely, Rev. Donald Hill. Evangelist.

  2. The Real Facts
    September 25, 2015

    If we oppose these people for this abomination they are actually forcing us to approve, they state, we hate them. We Christians do not hate these people. If we hate, it is their action.
    I reiterate, if they did not bring it out in public and want all those rights which are not rights, not even human rights, which they are not entitled to, we would not comment.
    Holy Scripture: “Love the sinner hate the sin.”
    This abomination highly offends God. He is in Heaven, we are on earth. Therefore,we are obligated to stand up for Him as well. This is our human, religious and spiritual right. Woe to us if we keep quiet.

  3. The Real Facts
    September 25, 2015

    Planned Parenthood is another one. All tied in.

    Planned Parenthood Skirts Laws All Over the World, Not Just in U.S.

    UN – pushing contraception to African countries, tied to foreign aid. They are holding those countries hostage. This is bribery.

    Who gives UN that authority to interfere in the personal business of people and to suppress procreation? These people took it upon themselves to issue such immoral directives to those countries. Note what they are doing in the Caribbean/West Indies. They expanded their immoral directives to the Caribbean/West Indies. Those authorities do not see what the UN is up to as they heed the UN and also inform nationals this is what they should do.
    Nationals, follow your godly, religious teaching and ignore those godless people who care not whether people live or die or whether they go to Hell.
    God will take care of them in time.
    For more information, go to C-Fam – Center for Family and Human Rights – Google it

  4. The Real Facts
    September 25, 2015

    You must know this. They are all tied-in. These people are out to destroy all what is good in the world including preventing babies from being born into the world.
    Note the following:
    UNFPA Foiled By Nigeria on Abortion, Sexual Rights
    NEW YORK, September 18 (C-Fam) A powerful and controversial UN population agency told the Nigerian government to change its position on reproductive health last week after setbacks in advancing abortion and sexual rights for adolescents in Africa.
    The UN Population Fund (UNFPA) told Nigeria to take back its reservations on “sexual and reproductive health” and “reproductive rights” in a new UN development agreement. The controversial terms are the cornerstone of the decades-long campaign to create an international right to abortion, and expand sexual rights for minors.

    • The Real Facts
      September 25, 2015

      Something happened. The other, second part is below which states, Continuing. . .

  5. The Real Facts
    September 25, 2015

    We have our share in Canada. Take note:
    A motion has been approved by Ontario lawmakers to remove the words ‘mother’ and ‘father’ from all provincial government forms.
    The motion says it is being done to “reflect the diverse nature” of families in the province.
    Sudbury Liberal Glenn Thibeault asked that ‘gendered’ terminology be replaced with gender-neutral and inclusive language on 10-thousand different provincial government forms.
    Currently, birth certificates allow two same-sex adults to be listed as parents, and Thibeault says all government forms should use inclusive language.

    Can you imagine that? This is shocking. They are taking away the words “mother and father”. Oh my!
    This evil and more is what will happen to D/ca if this abomination is ever approved in Dominica.
    This man must be one of those. They are the ones who push such legislation. God will take care of them in time.
    The Liberal government has lost my vote for election in October this year

    • The Real Facts
      September 25, 2015

      Continuing:

      “If Nigeria withdraws her reservation on the two targets, the country will get maximum value for Naira [the Nigerian currency],” the agency’s representative, Ms Ratidzai Ndhlovu, told a gathering of population experts in the Nigerian capital Abuja, the News Agency of Nigeria (NAN) reported.

      For more information go to C-Fam – Center for Family and Human Rights – If you wish, Google it
      I have the entire information which C-Fam emailed me. It is too much to post on this Website.

  6. The Real Facts
    September 25, 2015

    Fellow Dominicans who are on the right hand side of God by also doing your utmost to give God due praise and thanks as you do some good for your fellow people, especially in such times after post TS Erika, be aware of what some people of the world are up to. Their discussions lead up to that, legislation of this abomination.
    I recognize, every country, no exception Dominica, there are good people and bad people. After murders and other crimes, this abomination which is spreading like gangrene all over the world, is a bad one and bad for any society, as Dominica.
    They do not respect our rights.
    Ask yourself, what good will it do for Dominica? How will Dominica progress with recognition of this abomination? It is not one which will assist Dominica in any way. It also causes disunity and division, the work of Satan who is out to divide since he was thrown out of Heaven.
    God forbids that the government of Dominica succumb to this abomination in our Dominica.

  7. Anon
    September 25, 2015

    The buggarer lobby (sorry, to mask it with a ‘gentler’ word…gay lobby) is going about it the legleslative way. People who use Marijuana recreationally need to take a leaf from this book, get off their ‘high’ horses and employ the same lobbying method, or you are doomed – for another 45 years.

    That’s the way to go about it. By paying (sorry….influencing) politicians, legislators etc. (which has been tried for many years, ..need to change strategy now) many of whom smoke or have smoked Marijuana recreationally, some of whom are gay; but the gay lobby has seized the upper hand, are influencing them where it matters most, the result, …bringing them to a meeting and make them feel it’s their idea and they must, command them to sit down and discuss it. Learn from this seriously! It is on!

  8. Hmmmm
    September 24, 2015

    As a christian the only thing i will condone is to decriminalize sexual acts between adults. But i will not tolerate any special privileges to LGBT people. As for marriage. The politician in Dominica that allow such a nonsense will never get my vote. Do what allu want in allu bedroom. God will be your judge. But don’t ask for marriage, that is a sacrament set up by God between a man and a woman. So run allu show. God is the final judge. And please stop trying to push allu ideology down Christians throat like we have to accept it and if we do not we are evil people. We do not have to accept it. That is our right. And any person who is a Christian, a true child of God will never accept such behavior. I will not hate anyone but I will never accept a behavior which has been declared to be an abomination in the eyes of God. Just to say what? That I am politically correct or going with the times? Well my salvation is more important than this.

  9. J.John-Charles
    September 24, 2015

    Yes GABBY this book may be ancient but it’s content is relevant,accurate and more up to date than an magazine or news paper on the book shelf today.This life-style is also ancient just see what God did to Sodom and Gomorrah.He turned these two cities into ashes, 2 Peter 2:6.Now the difference is you all are smarter, because you can invent new sins by marrying one another and demanding that the authorities amend to laws to accommodate this depraved life style,if God don.t act in his own time He owes Sodom and Gomorrah an apology.
    We all must bear in mind the time to turn from this wickedness is now, for Christ is calling “OH SINNER COME NOW”

    • The Real Facts
      September 25, 2015

      Are you aware that Gaby or Gabby is a trans-gender? So-called he or she stated that some time ago in a previous article.
      What they do not know is, God recognizes them as they were the manner in which they were born, if a male or female. They can physically change their gender, mutilate their bodies but they cannot change how they were born in the eyes of God.
      Some of those people will have a rude awakening, to their detriment when they die; even as they are dying. They are ignorant, no doubt, spurred on by Satan who blocks their mind and they are not aware of it. Therefore, we are obligated to inform them whether they like it or not.
      As Our Lord said, “If we keep quiet, even the stones will cry out.”
      And you know, Christ has no feet and no hands on earth but our own. If we remain quiet, it is a sin against God and will be a punishment for us. We cannot also afford to be passive. We have an obligation, first to God and then to humankind. May we fulfill it.

  10. Kali Bud
    September 24, 2015

    Why is polygamy still illegal? And these homosexuals fighting for legalization. The world is really twisted. No wonder marijuana illegal and rum is available everywhere.

  11. Annon
    September 24, 2015

    What’s up with these gay people, will they stop at anything but total public display of their kind of affection?
    They are buying their way thru this whole thing, going thru the legal ropes with it till total victory. They have bought every democratic and some republican politicians in the US, gave close to a billion dollars to the democrats for relection to legitimize them, it has worked.

    They have succeeded in turning Primetime TV into a gay act. Every primetime show that wants to win an Emmy must have a gay act. Did you see the heavily advertised show ’empire’ it has been turned totally into a gay show with a few scenes by Cookie and the other guy. Neil harris married to a man is in prime time, preety soon Elton jon will be on primetime TV going down a man’s throat is the first and main thing they portray. Do you really think the OECS has an issue? What more do they want? They are not being persecuted. But, one thing, strategy is to get their way of life spread thru…

  12. Humanist
    September 24, 2015

    It’s about time these issues were discussed. Sometimes I get the impression we in the Dominica tend to believe that these concerns do not pertain to us. But here it is happening right now and it makes me very happy. Members of the queer community should not have to live in fear. People always point to God and the bible to discriminate against gay people, but there are so many other sins in the bible. Imagine what would happen if were to discriminate against fornicators, liars, and people who worked on the Sabbath. Imagine the chaos that would ensure. These people are not seeking extra rights, nor are they infringing on your rights.

  13. ATKINSON
    September 24, 2015

    Hey i take the middle ground on this one. But i see in the future the LGBT will be getting more vocal and rights in the caribbean. There are several countries in the caribbeans gays can marry legally such as ,st Barths,Bonaire, st martin, st Eustatius, puerto rico, martinique. Guadeloupe, Marie Galante, Saba, st thomas st croix, st johns, and its legally recognize in st maarten,Aruba and cauracao. There is a case right now the CCJ has taken up regarding a jamaican residing in canada,who is gay, who states the laws of belize and trinidad discriminate against him because he is gay. He is stating those 2 nations are in violation of the treaty of chaguramas, regarding the free movement of people who are gay. lets see how the judges rule. But changes comes whether he are ready or not

    • September 25, 2015

      yes changes come weather we are ready or not, its the circulation of life, like a clock, 12 o’clock midway will always exist so is 12 o’clock midnight, nothing is new under the sun, …now the gays want to live their life let it be…..for nature have a way of curing her self……..many will suffer and have been suffering…but that started a long time ago , when our ancestors choose to live a mortal life…………?……

  14. Gabby
    September 24, 2015

    As a queer transgender woman, I fully endorse this discussion happening. Dominica, like most of the other islands, is massively ignorant on LGBTQIA rights, and narrow-minded religious bigotry informs most of its decisions. Sadly, many Dominicans are happy with depriving people of basic legal rights simply because an ancient book told them to, happier to live in the days of their slave-masters than in the 21st century. We must grant queer individuals basic workplace protections and have anti-discrimination laws in place, since there is no reason to allow for lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender individuals to be discriminated against when looking for or working at a job. And we must stop terrorising queer people, so that we can all live together peacefully. No one should have to hide who they are, if who they are is nothing worth hiding. We are born with our gender identities and sexual orientations, and we are not harming anyone.

  15. Channel 1
    September 23, 2015

    Aye DNO, see if you can get a picture to shows us who represented Dominica at that nonsense meeting nuh please. Thanks.

    I seeing a Lucia flag dere and a green flag on the right – not sure if is a Jamaica or Dominica flag.

    DNO, don’t you think that Dominicans would like to know if Dominica was represented and who exactly represented us so that appropriate protest action could be mounted to greet these people when they return to the island?

    • The Real Facts
      September 23, 2015

      Speculating, could it be the Antigua flag? The previous article stated that Antigua is working towards legalization of the (so-called) modern family. This is what they mean by the modern family, to recognize those people and their lifestyle.
      God only recognizes them as human beings – mortals. Yes, He loves them as He loves us whom He created for He is God. However, He disdains their lifestyle and that they want to be recognized and get married.
      Many countries of the world have already legalized this abomination. God would like them to change their intrinsic lifestyle and behavior. They should know that not everyone will agree with them, just as some of them reject God, do not want His Holy Name mentioned and taught, saying it is their right. Well, it is our right to reject them to the point of ignoring them.

    • Gabby
      September 24, 2015

      You want to protest against someone who is protesting for improved human rights for marginalised individuals? Lol. You kind of people are precisely why Dominica remains an ignorant backwater.

  16. September 23, 2015

    sometimes I wonder…………are we the only living creatures on the earth…just because we are humans with all kinds of immoral conditions and sickness………demanding all kind of rights…….but wait!……flies mosquitoes centipedes etcs, animals domestics pets etcs…trees:etc, don’t they have right too..am starting to wonder..?……………?????????

  17. Rabbit
    September 23, 2015

    All you funny. If you are a Dominican & you say you don’t know a homosexual you really need to check yourself. I said it before I will say it again…Homosexuality is not just a form of sex but a form of love & for that it deserves our respect.

  18. J.John-Charles
    September 23, 2015

    Instead these people come together and raise some funds 4 suffering Dominicans.You see what they are gathered for.?Man is naturally wicked.
    Obama invited the pope to the white house, and because he knows that the pope does not agree with him on Sodomy,he Obama purposely invited priests who are homosexual and transgender actives to meet the pope.Like he is provoking the man.
    I always think of those who claimed to be “born again” and voted for this man

    • The Real Facts
      September 23, 2015

      I must inform you those who make fun of God and his people will one day pay for it. They will get exactly what they deserve. God is patient!
      I have not yet heard about what Obama did for I was not in to listen to especially the Catholic News and Programs on EWTN – TV and Radio but I will hear it soon enough.
      Prior to Obama winning the last election – presidency, he did not project his true colors. After winning it, this is when he projected them. He invited them to the White House.
      You heard that he mandated all US employers incorporate in their staff insurance policies, sterilization, abortion and the likes. If they did not, the penalty was an exorbitant sum of money.
      Some as Catholic Christians and other Christians took him and his administration to court. Some have been given a reprieve.
      Some US Catholic adoption agencies had to close because they refused to allow gay and lesbian couples adopt children.
      From my viewpoint, Obama is a huge disappointment.

      • The Real Facts
        September 23, 2015

        Obama knows that this is his last years as president and so he does not care. This is why he is doing what he is doing. He will not be able to run away from God. In time, he will receive exactly what he deserves from no other but God.
        I was once an avid supporter of Obama; not any more. Frankly, I do not know what he did for blacks in America and to alleviate their poverty. This is what he should have concentrated on. Many people are annoyed with him and disappointed; not only whites.
        I will remember Obama as a man who supported those people and their intrinsic lifestyle. Did he not loudly proclaim that they have rights? Woe to Obama!

    • Humanist
      September 24, 2015

      Seriously how do you so called Christians decide which part of the bible to pick and chose, I mean this is the same bible that condones slavery, child abuse and misogyny_? Only sodomy is a sin ? it’s your right to not engage in sodomy but who do you think you are to tell others what they can and cannot do in their personal lives.

      • The Real Facts
        September 25, 2015

        Some of you always have some sort of silly comments and arguments which have no bearing on the article. You can never stick to the article and comment on it, that others could learn from. This is what we are seeking, useful comments.
        Do you have anything to contribute to this article? Then do so. If you have none, keep quiet. :twisted: :mrgreen: :twisted: :mrgreen: :twisted: :mrgreen:
        We are in the year 2015, the twenty-first century. You are living in the past.
        What is history is history. It is past and it is gone. None of us were there and none of us experienced this in the past since we were not yet born anyway.
        Why should you be concerned with that? How is it affecting you? If it is affecting us in this era, in this year 2015, then I can understand. I do not think it affects us; not me anyway and many others. Our heads/faces are in front of us; not; behind. Therefore, leave this part of history alone and proceed.ahead; not backward.

      • The Real Facts
        September 25, 2015

        We are in the present and looking forward; Today, in this so-called modern-day era, we have other issues which are serious ones to concentrate on and to comment about namely, the disintegration of the family, so-called same sex marriage and adoption of babies by those people. If you are not concerned about that, you have a severe, moral and spiritual problem and you are one of them..
        Who said we are telling you what to do? You people want to tell us what to do and to accept this intrinsic lifestyle which is against our morals, principles, standards and our religious teachings and conscience. You are the bold ones; not us.
        We also have rights and the correct right. You do not think of our rights; but yours alone. We are not infringing on you and your rights. You are infringing on our rights and religious one at that.
        You and your type are not the only ones in the world. There are other people. Do not be self-centered. Think of others and their rights.

      • The Real Facts
        September 25, 2015

        The world does not revolve around you and your likes alone. There are other people in the world and in your country who do not share what you expect of society and the government. Governments should also consider the other people who raise objections about such abominations and which highly offend God Himself. There is a price to be paid for offending God.
        When you bring this abomination out in the public arena, and want to change people, everything in the books, the law of the land, to suit your immoral lifestyle, ignoring our feelings, then we downright have a reason to object and speak against it.
        Whatever people do in their private life it is their personal business between God and themselves. He will judge them. When they bring it out and want recognition, etc., then it is between God, ourselves and them.
        In other words, keep your affairs private and the public will not bother you and have nothing to say against you or to you. Hope you comprehend that.

  19. Caretaker
    September 23, 2015

    you all are at it left ,right and Centre why pretend you all are innocent because it is in the open, face the truth and deal with it

  20. truthman
    September 23, 2015

    All you just start. Just now it will be a big tourisim product for them to come and marry in the Caribbean.

    • Awesome Foursome
      September 23, 2015

      Why should it? It’s legal to marry all 50 states in the U.S. now…so why should a gay couple spend hundreds of dollars to have a wedding in the Caribbean and they can do it right there in the U.S? On the contrary the Caribbean is going to lose tourism dollars to gay couples because they no longer have to hide to get married.

      Did you even think before you wrote this??

    • The Real Facts
      September 23, 2015

      Not only in the Caribbean. Hope it is not in Dominica. These people want rights and they will go through any lengths to obtain it.
      The UN is on their side and propagating this abomination. They have now brought it to the Caribbean/West Indies.
      They sued some US Catholics for refusing to bake their so-called wedding cake.
      They sued photographers for refusing to take their so-called wedding pictures.
      Sometime ago, some of them dressed in their rainbow colors and went to the Catholic Church in the US. At Holy Communion time, they went up in line for Holy Communion. The priest did not give them Holy Communion. They made a lot of noise in the Church. Soon they will be suing the Catholic Church for not marrying them.
      These people are dangerous as Satan who is influencing them. Beware of them!

  21. Twissted
    September 23, 2015

    …and we must all learn the difference between Love, Lust and License. ….”if you love me, keep my commandments”….. also read 1st John 3:19-24. If I love you, I cannot condone your actions that I think are contrary to Gods Law….

    • The Real Facts
      September 23, 2015

      If we love God and also want what is good for them that they do not perish in Satan’s cauldron of everlasting fire, we must not condone them. This is something they cannot understand. It appears they prefer going to Hell.
      They take God for granted, thinking that God is pleased with their abomination and they will go straight to Heaven when they die and that God will not condemn them. Foolish people deceiving themselves which is the work of Satan, the father of lies and deceiver.
      I feel sorry for those people, those who initiated and legislated this abomination, those who applaud them, condone them and encourage them. We must tell it like it is without watering down the truth.
      God is patient!

  22. Mero
    September 23, 2015

    But What I hearing there again :(

  23. Twissted
    September 23, 2015

    Which HUMAN RIGHTS are they being deprived of :?: :!:

    • The Real Facts
      September 23, 2015

      I always say the only rights they have as each one of us do is, right to housing and jobs, the right to shop and walk on the street. This is their right; not to be recognized as partners/couples and married people; not to be compared with them.
      They want right to get married. For God’s sake and for crying out loud, these people are crazy and mad as Hell. Two men and two women married? They are sick! Every time I think of that and I have a conversation with someone about that, my blood boils and I get angry.
      It upsets me that governments would legislate this abomination. How foolish could they be to allow two men and two women to get married. Are they blind or what? Well, God will deal with them in time. They will find out their error, probably too late..

    • Gabby
      September 24, 2015

      You seriously don’t know what rights LGBT people are deprived of in the Caribbean? When people will beat you up, deprive you of a home or job, and, in extreme cases, kill you for being gay or transgender–all of which have happened in various islands? You do not know that most islands have no anti-discrimination laws to protect LGBT individuals in workplaces? You do not know that there are no civil unions or same-sex marriages being offered to consenting individuals in the vast majority of the Caribbean?

      It is so amazing to me that people can ask, in 2015, why LGBT individuals want to have the most basic of legal protections. This is straight and cisgender privilege at its finest.

    • October 2, 2015

      People are not allowed to rape, commit incest, practice polygamy, or commit bestiality. No :!: Not even in the privacy of their own bedroom, or out in the barn :!: But of course they want their “rights.”

      Now we have men whining because they cannot “marry” men, and women whining because they cannot “marry” women.

      I could tell of a broken hearted husband whose wife left him to live with a female companion. One of his little daughters asked him, “:Daddy doesn’t mommy love us any more?” Then I know of several loving wives whose husbands left them to move in with males lovers. There have been cases of women whose husbands were on the “down low”. These men had all the benefits of married life; female sex when they wanted it, a mother for their children, a cook and a housekeeper. But guess what? They gave their wives HIV!

      Don’t tell me these “consenting adults” hurt nobody.

      Sincerely, Rev. Donald Hill. Evangelist.

  24. Naturalistic
    September 23, 2015

    I hope you will discuss our rights to smoke marijuana freely

  25. Putin
    September 23, 2015

    I tired of this Dominica is a christian nation talk cause, we have over 100 churches that we can go to for
    85% of us to pray and worship false Gods and idols and do it in the name of Jesus , as we practice integration, christmas, eating pork, easter, interracial marriage, unjust weights and balances, witchcraft, sodomy, abortion, adultery, usury, and vote vote, Voting violates Exodus 20:3, Leave LBGT people alone cause u all not worthy enough to condemn anyone in Jesus name, moral pretenders! :mrgreen:

    • The Real Facts
      September 23, 2015

      You must be one of them. Too bad for you. You have not yet come out of your closet?
      God does not approve of their abomination, OK!
      Who said they do not have their prejudices? They are human.
      It is said there are more so-called divorces among those people than they are in normal marriages. Learn more.

    • Gabby
      September 24, 2015

      Dominica is not a Christian nation. It is a nation that contains a majority of Christians. Dominica is not a Christian theocracy. Are you going to tell the Muslims at the Muslim Store to leave Dominica? Are you going to tell the people of other faiths and those of us who are atheists we should not be in or visit Dominica? Stop with this fascist theocratic language.

      • The Real Facts
        September 25, 2015

        Some of you project that you have no sense whatsoever.
        Dominica was predominantly a Catholic Christian country. I would think, despite of the other religions which sprouted up in recent years, it is still that way with more numbers.
        You should know that. Dominica never had Muslims. Some of them were Christians, Catholics of all. They got falsely indoctrinated and changed to Islam. Some of them do not even know that Mohammed was a Catholic.
        What they also do not know, once a Catholic, always a Catholic to death, Heaven or Hell. No one can change that. Not even God will change it. God blest their baptism as Catholics and no one on earth has the power to change it. God did not give this authority to them.
        In this era, people migrate to other countries. Only the government has the power to reject them or accept them. If they conduct themselves appropriately, they are obviously welcome to stay. Therefore, what you stated is a lot of crap and makes no sense.

  26. jamesd
    September 23, 2015

    It’s high time that progress was made on this issue in the caribbean. Of course there’ll be many to come and speak out against this move. But understand this, what is being discussed here is a move to abolish discrimination of people based on their gender/sexual orientation. Caribbean people like to think this is an american problem or a european problem. You might have a cousin, a brother or sister who is suffering because they’re afraid to face all the hate and bigotry that would come with people knowing that they were ‘different’.

    If you find that making life easier for those people is something so appalling to you that you would speak out as much as you can against it, I can only hope that you expend the same amount of energy to speak out against all the other ills that are plagueing our small states.

    • The Real Facts
      September 23, 2015

      What is progress? It is regress to the dark days of Sodom and Gomorrah when Our Almighty Father destroyed them.
      Do you know why God has not yet destroyed the world especially for this type of sin, this abomination which so highly offend him?
      The reason is because Our Lord Jesus Christ suffered and died for us. God is waiting for a sufficient amount of people to repent and turn to him before He clamps down on the world with fire and brimstone.
      If you know what is contained in Holy Scripture, Our Almighty Father was stern and immediately punished people. They died on the spot for their sins. Since Our Lord lived, suffered, died and resurrected, Our Almighty Father is more patient.
      Let me further inform you which I may have stated previously in some other article, The Mother of God said that, “Jesus and Herself are holding back the hands of Our Heavenly Father.” Otherwise he would have struck the earth already.
      As for this abomination, I wonder for how long more.

    • Humanist
      September 24, 2015

      Of course, I endorse this comment.

  27. September 23, 2015

    Can we all get along? # I vote! but will consult Trump on that one. Long live Dominica. God bless America.

  28. Catarina
    September 23, 2015

    Look what the Government did to anyone with dreadlocks. It’s not LGBT people they will accept anytime soon? Forgive them for they know not what they do.

  29. Yoland Jno Jules
    September 23, 2015

    so what those foolish lawyers calling same sex marriage is really VILE AFFECTIONS. and if God give them up already what rights they have but the right to DIE? and burn in HELL for their nastiness, how are they going to raise children? when marriage is to bring forth children who will be the mother or the father a we not seeing that the world has gone crazy and the heathen rage and the people imagine vain things the kings and judges and leaders set their heart against God and his work of creation, but just Waite and see when God start to pour down his wrath on those ungodly, Demon posses, abominable, wicked and cruel men and women to burn them with fire and brimstone just like Sodom and Gomorra he is in charge not humans. Home that our very wise Prime Minister never think of listening to those two foot monsters neither follow their perilous ways, because fore sure they will perish the only human rights we have is to be in subjection to God or DIE AND GO TO HELL TO BURN IN THE FIRE AMEN.

    • The Real Facts
      September 23, 2015

      I always say, it is amazing that God has not yet punished the world. I often wonder how soon and when. This abomination is shocking and to see some government officials legislated it. They have no shame. A sure Hell for all of them. Their day is coming.
      They want all the rights while taking away our rights. They have no sense to know that those who sincerely believe in God and who worship him will never agree to their abomination.

  30. Justkum
    September 23, 2015

    This Idea of culturing LGBT in the Caribbean is an attempt to confuse our children and weaken the moral fabric of the good purpose of the traditional family. The question though is why?..why do we need to legalize this immorality that contributes naught to the furtherance of the human race?.The authorities fight drugs and crime because they hinder the advancement of the human race..how is a man marrying another man helping the cause of our existence and why is this being almost forced on every culture all over the world?
    I don’t hate the people but the idea is certainly worthy of strong contempt, for it is backward and essentially unproductive..

    • The Real Facts
      September 23, 2015

      People in the Caribbean/West Indies should stand firm against these people. They want to take others down to the pit of Hell. Souls are at stake. May they never plant food in the West Indies of all. I hope the governments are strong enough to ignore those people as the UN. The UN pays them to do this. They are interfering in the affairs of the world in general. Now they are in the Caribbean/West indies. Ignore them!

    • October 2, 2015

      JUSTKUM: Thank you!

      Homosexuality is also an unhealthy lifestyle.

      Homosexuals have more mental health issues. They suffer more from depression and have a higher rate of alcoholism. With no natural family of their own they experience more loneliness in their senior years. Stats show they have a shorter life span.

      Homosexuality produces its own physical illnesses. Among males here is the unique problem caused by anal sex: the tearing of lining of rectum sometimes followed by infection. More than any other people group homosexual males have the highest percentage of AIDS cases and are the main spreaders of the HIV virus.

      Nobody in their right mind would think homosexuality is natural or normal.

      It is not because of “hate” or “homophobia” we speak and write against this abomination. It is because we want to keep people out of a terrible lifestyle, and help others break free from this vice.

      Sincerely, Rev. Donald Hill. Evangelist.

  31. Yoland Jno Jules
    September 23, 2015

    If the OECS ever take any decision to allow same sex Abomination, that will be the end of OECS unity we will go all the way to block that nastiness. America has polluted their Country and it is now modern day Sodom we should not follow those DEMON POSSES people. In the beginning God made Man in his image and likeness and when he saw that it was not good for the man to be alone he caused a deep sleep to fall on the man and took a rib and formed a help meet for him Adam called her woman BECAUSE SHE WAS TAKEN FROM MAN SO HOW UNDER GODS HEAVEN CAN A MAN AND MAN OR WOMAN AND WOMAN BE JOINED TOGETHER in what for sure that is not marriage the word of Almighty God says plain Marriage is honorable and the bed is undefiled, but homongers, Adulterers Homosexual and lesbians God will judge and he will definitely destroy them, Romans 1 says when they fail to retain God in their knowledge he Gave them up to uncleanliness, A reprobate mind, Vile affections to defy their bodies between them selves.

    • jamesd
      September 23, 2015

      Look at how desperate you people are that you are twisting the words of your own holy book. Hebrews 13:4 says “Marriage is to be held in honor among all, and the marriage bed is to be undefiled; for fornicators and adulterers God will judge.” – fornicators and adulterers – it says nothing here about sexual orientation. Not that the bible is any authority here but at least if that’s what you lean on be honest to it. And while you’re at it take note of what it says about those ADULTERERS and FORNICATORS and tell me how much people would actually pass that test, all those people like that ultra right conservative guy who was found out in the Ashley Madison hack and that pastor in portsmouth that was sleeping with the members of his congregation.

      • The Real Facts
        September 23, 2015

        You are the one twisting it according to your warped mentality. Need I refer to the Book of Genesis when Our Almighty Father said to Adam and Eve, “Go and Multiply.”
        He did not say you, Adam and Steve and woman and woman, go and multiply.
        This is why God and His people are against this abomination. This action comes from the devil, the enemy of God and of our souls. St. Paul said: “Reject them!”

    • Humanist
      September 24, 2015

      This coming from a Christian. Marriage does not belong to Christianity. In the beginning “God made man” what a joke. Look the world, look at the vastness of the universe, and all of that was created is six 24-hour days!! Feel free to believe whatever delusions you like, but keep them for yourself. Same sex marriage wasn’t even the focal point of this discussion. Members of the queer community are seeking basic humans rights, you know, to not live in fear for example. And here you’re just rambling about God, and the bible and Sodom.We don’t care about your God!!

      • The Real Facts
        September 25, 2015

        Who made man? You? :twisted: :mrgreen: :twisted: :mrgreen: :twisted: :mrgreen:
        The devil helps you to say we don’t care about your God. We know the devil is your god. He has control over you, poor you, who appear to be destined to his eternal cauldron of everlasting fire.
        You have a soul. God gave it to you. That string of life is what keeps you alive. You better recognize God that He might save you. If you fail to do so, woe to you. You will be with your friend, the father of lies and deceit forever in his pit – Hell. He will taunt you forever for your foolishness and faithlessness. This is what he is doing to those who are already in Hell.
        I do not wish that for you. Therefore, repent. Believe in the Gospel of Our Lord Jesus Christ. Worship Him, pray, perform good works, penance and sacrifice as a means of repentance, in order to appease God.
        I wish you God’s blessing and graces. May He convert you as He did to Saul, Paul – St. Paul. Peace!

  32. sagacious
    September 23, 2015

    god created adam and eve should he have created ADAM AND STEVE ..Then how is society to procreate ..then there was SODOM ..
    If CHRIST returns or ALLah will they approve a man who was designed to create a family now must do so with another man and adopting a child who is normal and crate a monster who mow have mommy who is daddy and daddy who behaves like mommy —-who is moomy and who is daddy ?
    what a sickening path where AMERICA LEADS -SHOULD WE FOLLOW ?
    For Love ??? what of marrying your dog or sleep as some do with your dog or horse ..which you love will be that be next ?
    right to love marry and have a family as a dick and a dick -is that the plan of our creator ?

    • The Real Facts
      September 23, 2015

      They have two daddies or two mommies. Is this not abnormal?
      I heard in the US some animal lovers/owners with dogs and cats are marrying them. Can you believe that? Those people are as crazy and mad as Hell.

  33. Channel 1
    September 23, 2015

    Folks, especially the right-thinking, continue to be on the look out for these covert homosexual ‘educational’ and psychological warfare schemes okay.

    Since when did sexual deviancy & fantasy become a human right? But what really goin on in dis world dere nuh…..

    How can something so wrong such as homosexuality be a right? 8-O 8-O 8-O 8-O

    What next? Meetings to discuss rights for the pedophiles, relatives who want to marry each other, polygamists and zoophiliacs? After all, didn’t the delusional and mind-warped of society say #lovealwayswins.

    You legalize one perversion – you MUST legalize every single other perversion out there.

    • FED UP
      September 23, 2015

      Adultery and fornication are perversions – yet they happen everyday in Dominica. One sin can’t be okay and another not okay. You don’t get to choose.

      • Channel 1
        September 23, 2015

        @Fed up – Yup – ADULTERY IS SIN; FORNICATION IS SIN; HOMOSEXUALITY IS SIN!!!!

        I’m sure you haven’t seen the adulterers, adulteresses & fornicators pushing for society to make adultery & fornication legal.

        I’m sure you haven’t seen adulterers, adulteresses & fornicators having meetings to push for their rights in today’s society.

        And I’m certain you haven’t seen adulterers, adulteresses & fornicators hijacking the US supreme court to get it to legalize the acts of adultery & fornication by a 5 to 4 majority thereby getting it to impose (in near tyrannical fashion) its ruling on all the states of the USA – even though the majority of US citizens never voted to legalize it.

        When someone is caught in fornication & especially adultery, it brings a sense of shame & scandal to them even in today’s decadent society.

        I’m glad though that you CORRECTLY implied that homosexuality is a sin just like adultery & fornication are. I guess all hope is not lost for you.

      • BRAIN DAMAGE
        September 23, 2015

        Bless you Channel 1

      • BRAIN DAMAGE
        September 23, 2015

        Channel 1, support you, and God’s word. It’s a spiritual battle for us right now. Satan is vex and is deceiving many.

      • The Real Facts
        September 23, 2015

        You must be one of them. I do not condone them but you know these sins are between people of the opposite sex; not of the same sex. Are you not smart enough to know the article is about homosexuals and lesbians relationships. Stick to the issue.

      • sunny isles
        September 24, 2015

        yes adultery and fornication are perversions and happening in dominica everyday however are these adulterers and fornicators asking for change of laws or any type of recognition and acceptance? this is a totally different matter.don’t get me wrong these are all sins mentioned in the bible however these people want the laws to recognise them

      • September 24, 2015

        You cannot use adultery and fornication to justify homosexuality. All three of these activities are sins.

        In fact the word fornication comes from a Greek word which means illicit sexual intercourse. It is includes premarital sex, extra marital sex, homosexuality, and bestiality.

        People who commit these other sexual sins are generally not denying the sinfulness of their deeds. They are not trying to lead others into participating in their activities. They do not say they were born that way. They are not holding PRIDE PARADES to celebrate their particular type of fornication.

        It is homosexual pedophilia that has brought the child abuse scandal into the Roman Catholic Church and brought parish after parish to the brink of financial ruin in spite of the fact that the majority of priests are not gay.

        It is homosexuality that has been mainly responsible for the spread of HIV/AIDS world wide.

        Sincerely Rev. Donald Hill. Evangelist.

    • jamesd
      September 23, 2015

      Here’s even more irony. The main source of all this bigotry is religion, particularly the christian religion that dominates the minds of afro-caribbean slave children. Yet the holy book on which this religion is based has many stories (including the founding story of creation) that have direct references and accounts of incest and polygamy.

      And you’re talking about sexual deviancy, did you know that oral sex is considered sexual deviancy by biblical doctrine? Even exotic sexual positions are considered deviant. If we had to apply those rules how many people would pass the test? I’m willing to bet that at least 90% of those adamantly against the rights of other human beings would not

      • The Real Facts
        September 24, 2015

        You deviated from the topic. We all know that. God will judge them; not you.
        It has no bearing on this issue which is about two men and two women in a relationship and their so-called marriage, adopting children and now want marriage to be re-defined and to modernize the family to suit their abomination.
        You know what I would tell you people who get me angry? Stick to the topic and Go to Hell!
        Our Lord Jesus Christ would say, “Hear and understand! Who has ears ought to hear!” And He would turn his back on you and walk away.
        Sexual relationship with two men and two women is abnormal, intrinsically evil. Even though they are allowed to get married, it is not right and never will be right. It is not what God ordained and approves. It will not get them to Heaven. Would love to write a book on that.

  34. derp
    September 23, 2015

    ok their rights hmmm, what about the pedophiles right? It’s not all in the name of LOVE??? hmm, if you all want to go and condone this where will it stop

    • FED UP
      September 23, 2015

      Most pedophiles are heterosexual – what’s your point?

      • Channel 1
        September 23, 2015

        @FED UP – NewsFLASH – ALL HOMOSEXUALS – I repeat – ALL HOMOSEXUALS ARE HETEROSEXUALS. Got that.

        Don’t worry with that nonsense where dem claim they are attracted to the same sex. In most cases of two males playing couple, one male plays the role of the female in the relationship & gets on even more effeminate than natural females themselves.

        In most cases of two women playing couple, one of them plays the role of the male & tries to be all masculine in her dress, talk and mannerisms. Remember dem lesbians claim is man they nah like but one of them in the relationship still trying to behave like a man for the other female.

        ……smh………….

        Homosexuality is a reflection of the absolute confusion in the minds of some people.

        As I said earlier, these people are not really attracted to the same sex. Rather what you have is very confused people being attracted to manifestations of the opposite sex in people of their same sex. Capiche.

      • October 2, 2015

        “Most pedophiles are heterosexuals.”

        This is only true because there are more heterosexuals. Less than 5% of the population are homo or bi sexual.

        I have seen scientific studies – not only one but four – that show a homosexual is three time as likely to molest a child as a heterosexual.

        A homosexual pedophile will molest more male children in a lifetime than a heterosexual will female children.

        A homosexual pedophile will often be molesting more than one victim during a time span.

        Mental health care professionals tell us homosexual pedophiles are the most difficult to treat and most cannot be cured. This is especially true when it involves incest.

        Sincerely, Rev. Donald Hill. Evangelist. (Pastoral Counselor Certificate.)

    • jamesd
      September 23, 2015

      Well the irony in that is that pedophilia is alive and well in the caribbean. Of course they don’t consider it pedophilia because after 12 is lunchtime amairite? While children under 16 are being abused all over and people turning a blind eye to that you hypocrites will come out on every news article and cry about the rights of CONSENTING ADULTS to love each other and partake in a union.

      • Channel 1
        September 23, 2015

        @jamesd – Go educate yourself on current world events. In Europe, there are currently arguments being put forward by psychologists and others that pedophilia ought not be viewed as an abnormality but rather should be viewed as just another normal sexual orientation.

        It’s all there on the internet. Just Google about these pro-pedophilia arguments being put forward to justify pedophilia.

        The only difference between pedophilia and homosexuality is just a matter of time. And you better not deny the pro-pedophilia movement their rights when they become as boisterous as the homosexual agenda. I hope when dem say they were born that way, all you these homosexual agenda sympathizers keep quiet.

        One of the first order of business for the pedophile agenda will be – Get the age of consent to be lowered. Stay tuned – it’s coming.

        Oh boy, what a dangerous can of worms homosexuality’s legalization has opened up.

      • jamesd
        September 24, 2015

        @Channel 1
        I’m very much educated thank you. I don’t need to go and read nonsense conspiracy articles and FUD to consider myself ‘educated’.

        And no the difference between homosexuality and pedophilia is not “just a matter of time”. Read this carefully. CONSENTING ADULTS. If that doesn’t make enough of a difference to you then you should probably go along with those people trying to get ‘rights’ for pedophiles. Hey the main denomination of the religion that is adamantaly against homosexuality has pretty much institutionalized pedophilia so go figure.

    • The Real Facts
      September 24, 2015

      Do you need a response? Do you not have sense enough to know that pedophile go after children? Do you need this explained to you? This is not the issue. Stick to it!

  35. sagacious
    September 23, 2015

    This is promoted by the exreme agenda of an AmERICAN CULTURE which has lost its way without the christian principles of it,s FOUNDERS awhich are alive and well in the Caribbean !
    The culture of exreme sexualiity of sodom and gomorrah WHICH is alien to us .
    similar to countries who desire to be agnostic with no rights to religious practise or countries with no place for christian principles -we in the Caribbean are relgiosu for the most part ….
    Those with LGBT consciousness can always seek accomodation in the depraved agenda of the USA however I wish to remind our people of Dominica, that Dominica was declared a CHRISTIAN NATION some years ago under this PRIME MINISTER
    These pricnciples have no place with rank sexual prefernces with no design as created by GOD FOR PROCREATION

    The USAa has it,s AGENTS of SIN who have no interst in us except to forster their sick agendas upon us as a new form of colonization–to instruct to adopt that which is anti christ and glaringly…

    • Music Producer
      September 23, 2015

      8-O Ok, I always thought Dominica was a DEMOCRATIC country… 8-O That is a contradiction in itself! You cannot serve 2 masters!

      • The Real Facts
        September 24, 2015

        You understood what sagacious stated? You should need no further explanation.
        Democratic or not, it is a Christian country. This abomination has no place in Dominican society and to be recognized as such. If this ever happens in Dominica, as some people say, this time, Dominica finis bat. The wrath of God will be open it. The more countries which succumb to that type of lifestyle, marrying such people, the more angry they make God. Then stay tuned for more storms, hurricanes and fire and brimstone.

    • ATKINSON
      September 23, 2015

      Hey “sagacious” why blame america for a LGBT meeting in grenada. And CHRISTIANITY is not a dominican or caribbean religion. It was brought over to dominica by the europeans our colonizers and their agents :mrgreen: And you should remind the people of dominca the upside down thinking prime minister, who invited and brought LGBT Donnie Mcclurkin last year to sing christian song for 250 thousand dollars to the nation. So where were you protesting. And where is the P.M, family today. guess Where?? The USA. maybe renewing the USA passports :mrgreen:

    • jamesd
      September 23, 2015

      You claim that WE in the caribbean are religious, blah blah whatever. Who are you speaking for exactly? Do you know everyone in the caribbean? I, personally, am not religious and I know a lot of people who are not. I also know many people who are religious yet open minded about human rights – yes human rights because there’s not even any need to say LGBT rights because they are human beings period.

  36. FED UP
    September 23, 2015

    Let’s hope Dominica and its religious leaders can put aside their ignorance and recognize that ALL people are God’s people and deserve equal rights! And yes, that includes the right to marry, raise children, leave their estates to their partners, etc.

    • derp
      September 23, 2015

      “ALL people are God’s people” oh really, you must read I John 3:10, where you find out the truth

      • FED UP
        September 23, 2015

        The truth about what @derp? The Bible was used to justify slavery among other atrocities – you now want to use it to justify discrimination and ignorance.

      • September 23, 2015

        Splendid idea, let’s read it: “This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister.”

        Do most Christians sound like they love their brothers and sisters when they speak about homosexuality? Hardly.

    • Tjebe fort
      September 23, 2015

      Let them do what they want but gay marriage can never be a sacrament.

      • The Real Facts
        September 24, 2015

        Yes! We go by the Bible. They call them marriage. They are not a marriage. They are not blest by God and never will.
        As it is said, they can call them union but not marriage. Marriage is only between one man and one woman.

    • Peter tosh
      September 23, 2015

      Oh \”Fed Up\” I believe you should have thought long and hard before you comment. I concur with you that all people are God\’s people. He sure created us all. However, he gave us guidelines in the form of the BIBLE to live by. If you read the bible you will understand why the religious leaders should/will not come together to accept same sex marriages…

    • Put God first
      September 23, 2015

      Rom 1:27 (KJV)
      And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.

      • October 2, 2015

        If people will not accept the Word of God they will believe the devil’s lies.

        The teaching that homosexuals are born that way is one of these lies. Only those who refuse Biblical truth believe this one.

        I invite you to GOOGLE Are Homosexuals Born that Way? By Donald Hill. INTERIM. May 2000.

        Sincerely, Rev. Donald Hill. Evangelist. (Pastoral Counselor Certificate.)

    • The Real Facts
      September 24, 2015

      Get this straight into your fat or skinny head. Two men and two women have no equal right to get married. They are of the same sex and this is why they should be prohibited form marrying. It makes no sense for them to get married! OK!
      These people are mocking God and marriage. They will pay the price.
      There is a reason why God created man and woman. If you do not yet know that, woe to you!

    • The Real Facts
      September 25, 2015

      Some of you are not smart. People deserve certain equal rights to a certain extent. Two men and two women relationships cannot be recognized as same with heterosexual couples. This is the kind of right they want. No matter what, they will never be recognized as same; not primarily in the eyes of God for they are a man and a woman.
      Understand that some of us will never approve of it. You will not bring us down to Hell with your manner of thinking and actions. We say, “NO!” to so-called same sex marriage and recognition of same.
      DO NOT OFFEND GOD ANYMORE WITH YOUR ABOMINATION! God judges us according to our deeds. This is the manner in which everyone will be judged. If you practice this abomination, woe to you! It is more offensive to God than some other sins.

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