A British Christian pressure group has discovered that the Australian delegate who is trying to pressurise African and Caribbean nations to decriminalise sodomy at the Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting next week is an obsessive homosexual.
Michael Kirby, part of the Australian delegation and a retired High Court judge, has put down a motion to legalize homosexual acts at the Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting in Australia from 28th to 30th October. But Christian Voice has found that Kirby has a gay lover, and that he has routinely denounced Christians, including the Archbishop of Sydney, despite claiming to be an Anglican himself.
Stephen Green, National Director of Christian Voice, said today:
“Sex tourism is already a problem in African, Asian and Caribbean nations. Legalising sodomy would make matters even worse. Young people in the Caribbean need to be protected from the moral and physical dangers of homosexual activity.
“African, Caribbean and Asian nations must stand together quickly to oppose this neo-colonialist measure which tries to promote Western depravity world-wide. I am praying that those responsible for the Caribbean’s delegation to the Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting will speak to colleagues in other nations and collectively resist Kirby’s wicked desires.
“I also call on the churches of the Caribbean to come together and pray for their delegations to the Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting and for righteousness to flow as a river in the Caribbean to the glory of God.
“The last thing the Caribbean needs is the neo-colonialist imposition of wickedness from countries like Australia and Britain whose society is described as ‘broken’ even by our own Prime Minister. David Cameron’s fixation with homosexuality even extends to promoting the abomination of ‘gay marriage’ and using foreign aid to export Western depravity. But Michael Kirby’s obsession is even stronger, and he is intent on promoting his own prediliction for unnatural acts around the world. I pray that now that he has been exposed, others will be emboldened to stand up to him.”
It should not surprise anybody that Michael
Kirby is a homosexual. The gay agenda is being driven by militant homosexuals. The positions Mr. Kirby has reached in the justice system of his country says something about a nation like my own that has lost the values that once made it strong.
People ask why we should be troubled by people who engage in same sex relationships beind closed doors and don’t cause us any problems. The truth is many of them are not satisfied to do this. Homosexuals experience a lot of guilt. Many of them are working overtime to relieve that guilt by trying to justify their behaviour. For those who have legal or political inclinations the best way to do this is to get governments to decriminalize buggery and legalize same sex marriage.
When buggery laws are repealed it gives boldness to those who want other laws repealed. There are people now who are already asking to have the age of consent lowered or abolished. When same sex marriages are legalized we begin hearing from those who want polygamy legalized. The same equality arguments that are being used to bring such changes can – and will – be used to champion these other causes.
When guilt is accompanied by anger we have homosexual activisits who lash out against Christians and bad mouth whatever church or religious institution they think represents God and morality.
Most frightening of all is the fact that we now have Obama and Cameron saying they will finance homosexual lobby groups in nations that refuse to accomodate homosexual “rights” and withold legitimate foreign aid to countries that don’t legalize same sex marriages. It is hard to imagine the USA and the UK using such bullying tactics. To take advantage of their own size and place on the world stage to threaten and attempt to bribe smaller independent nations staggers the imagination.
“Once to every man and nation comes the moment to decide…” Eventually God will reward and history will honor the the nations along with their brave leaders who dared to stand for righeousness in this evil hour. All others will fade into history along with the once great nations and empires of the past and righteousness will fill the earth. In that day, “..at the name of Jesus every knee will bow, … and … every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.” (Philippians 2:10,11)
Sincerely, Rev. Donald Hill. Pentecostal Evangelist. http://www.livinghopeministries.ca
I can see u guys a uneducated and need to educate u all self,becuz if u research the history of the so call king james bible u will find that he and most of his writers was indeed homosexuals.the reason i wrote this is bcuz everything am reading in the comment section is from the bible,god never said this things buttt homos didd
Kings James himself had nothing to do with the translation of the so-called King James Version of the Bible. It was translated by 54 of the top language scholars in the U.K. It is also known as the Authorized Version because King James authorized the translation before it began, and approved of the finished product.
It has been said that the king was “bi-sexual”. I have never seen any evidence regarding the private lives of the actual translators. What I do know is that King James had nothing to do the translating. Little is known about the translators apart from their exceptional academic qualifications. It has been said among scholars that “The world lacked the learning to understand how leaned the translators were.”
They faithfully translated what the ancient Hebrew and Greek scriptures said about homosexuality in the Old and New Testaments respectively.
Sincerely, Rev. Donald Hill. Evangelist.
Some heads of government don’t care,some of them embrace those sick behaviors
Just imagine you try making the well known of this country part of this delegation add a few 100000 of thousand under the table and voila we see them turn a blind eye.
they don’t care about us,they are only looking out for their pockets
I think that we are much smarter now,it’s all becoming very clear for us to see the writing on the wall.
Just thought i would inform you all that in the bible there are only six references made about homosexuality, compared to 362 references made about heterosexuals bad sexual practices/ behavior, so it appears that heterosexuals are giving God more trouble by their immoral behavior, than homosexual, as God only had to speak six times to the homos, but 362 times to the misbehaving heterosexual.
Does it mean that God hates the heterosexuals, they sure give him plenty to worry about with their moral decadence.
Should we ban heterosexuals from public life, and from marriage as they seem unable to stay married or get married.But forever fornicating.
Forever divorcing or committing adultery which God hates, or beating on their wives whom God told them to love.
And they all lead to death,you forgot that part.
There are more references in the Bible to heterosexuality because there are more heterosexuals
There are more references in the Bible about heterosexuals because same sex “marriages” did not exist in Bible times and God was giving guidance in the Scriptures to married couples.
There are more references in the Bible about heterosexuality because fornication, adultery, and prostitution were the more common sexual sins of that time.
There are more references to heterosexuality in the Bible than to homosexuality because the Old Testament was written by Hebrew authors for people of Israel. The number of people in Israel committing homosexual acts was very small. Homosexuality was more common in heathen nations who refused to worship the true and living God. Paul speaks of this in Romans 1:21-32.
The references to homosexuality are less in mumber than the references to heterosexuality. But they are strong and weighty references showing how God destroyed cities and territories that embraced this perverted life style. They use words like “abomination” when describing the seriousness of this sin. In the Old Testament it tells us that God’s law required the death penalty for homosexuality. (Thank God this law no longer exists. It was abolished when Christ died on the cross. See John 19:30, Romans 10:4, and Colossians 2:14-17.) The New Testament tells us “They who do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God”.
The references to homosexuality are less in number but they cannot be ignored without dire consequences
Heavy stuff 
Sincerely, Rev. Donald Hill. Pentecostal Evangelist.
What they mean by homosexual??..Buggerman??
Humanist you makes no sense whatsoever,any way i guess the cap fits you.
What cap fits me? Goodness, if you’re going to attempt to insult someone for not making sense, at least make sense yourself.
At any rate, my point was that you do not have to be something to support it (which should be obvious to anyone). You do not have to be gay to support gay rights; you do not have to be a woman to support women’s rights; you do not have to be from Africa to support aid going to African countries, etc.
Make sense now?
Humanist you dont compare good things to something that is totally wrong.gays can have their rights but HELL NO to marriage they have no place in that field
Stephen Green has been exposed as a violent dictatorial wife-beater who also severely beat his children. He has called for the death penalty for sodomy, as well as being anti-alcohol and trying to abolish marital rape as a crime, (saying a wife’s duty is to be totally submissive to her husband.)
He is concentrating on the developing countries for the expression of his radical views, because the rest of the world has stopped listening to him and in fact derides him.
Just because someone obsessively quotes the bible, it does not mean they are either christian (as a moral way of life, not a religion) or have integrity.
But he is still right
when it comes to those ungodly behaviors
You may not realize this but the trend has began
In spite of what this man believe i fully embrace the idea of alerting the third world countries about the hidden agendas of these world superpowers.
My heart goes out to those who openly claim to embrace homosexuality. and if i can, how much more Christ?
this is not the life he intended for you. and you can still turn around.
i pray that those who vote on these laws recognize that the fate of a country is in their hands.
I AM NOT AFRAID OF WAR, DEATH OR ANYTHING MORE THAN GOD ALMIGHTY.
I pray more people had that fear. we are not accidents, we came from somewhere. and its interesting that that when we buy an equipment, we look at the Manufacturer manual (at the very least) to figure out if its 110 or 220 but never visit the manual created for us.
Perhaps we have come to value these equipments more than our selves?
“If you fail to stand for something you will fall for anything” (Author unknown. Whose report do you believe, I choose to believe the report of the Lord who is Lord of lords and King of kings. The supreme one declares “………because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion” Romans Chp 1: 26-27.
Yes God forgives men of sins only after we have repented and turned over our ways to Him. God will never never change His word to suit us we have to fall in line with what His word says. And remember He said that He esteems His word higher than his name – Psalm 138:2
I am appalled at the tone of this post, I found it to be insulting. What is an obsessive homosexual? and to refer to Mr. Kirby as a ‘gay lover’ for wanting justice for his fellow human beings is outrageous.
I would ask the author(s) of this site to be aware that this is 2011 and not the dark ages.
To publish this uneducated and backward rhetoric is unacceptable. To have laws to punish our own countrymen from living their own ADULT lives as they see fit is not introducing ‘neo-colonialist imposition of wickedness’ but merely allowing people to live as any human wishes whether gay, straight, Christian or Muslim.
from a Caribbean person.
Have you heard about this quote
freedom is the right to do what is right
not what what you like
20 years ago these behaviors were not permitted in our society,(social degradation)they were not right then and are still not accepted right now.
nevertheless we are in 2011
What do you understand by moral values or ethics,you are going to need en establish standard or values to evaluate them from now
i respect every body freedom of choice but how ever they choose to live their life doesn’t make their choice the right one, a because society is on standards that were establish according to core values set by biblical principles, and if you are going to be part of that society well you will have to adhere by those principles
What you do behind you closed doors is surely your business, shielding “our youth” to this is being blind and shackled. Time to pull our heads out of the sand, and realize that whatever you want you can find online. Whilst you making noise and victimizing a woman or man in the street for being genetically predisposed, your so called little one may be watching some strange perversion on his/her phone or the computer. Someone propositions you, “JUST SAY NO”, simple as that. If you get offered and take money for it then your a prostitute. Your morals and orifice, no one else s. Besides, we are ruled by men in dresses who have routinely molested boys for decades, yet cannot be brought to trial.
Mr. Justice Kirby is gay. So what! He’s also an internationally respected Australian jurist too – that’s the reason he’s a delegate to the summit.
It is immoral and wrong for the Christian Voice to use his sexuality to suggest that he has an evil or malicious motive. Shame on you Christian Voice – give a reasoned response to his motion, rather than resorting to base attacks on his personality! But there is no logic to homophobia, it is always motived by the lowest human traits such as hate and fear, so Christian Voice’s position is expected.
Furthermore it is too funny to suggest that homosexuality is “neo-colonists”. Homosexuality is a naturally occuring human experience that has been recorded in all cultures from the begining of time. Some African tribes knew of homosexuality long before European contact.
The irony here is that HOMOPHOBIA was brought by our colonial masters and enshrined in our laws. And even to this day, we are still slaves to colonial values such as homophobia. So it is completely ignorant to think that homosexuality is a colonial imposition.
Have though about this before writing it
huh
Thank god i had the good sense to leave this country.Its clear that people in dominica are ruled by their religious beliefs. religion has no place in public policy the sodomy laws should be removed. I should say however that if u dont believe in homosexuality its simple you should not be a homosexual why should you try to impose laws on other people which prevent them from being what they want to be especially when they are not hurting anyone else. sexuality is a private matter that should not have any interference from the church or the state. i hope Dominicans grow up one day and become a free and egalitarian society.
The singular purpose of sex is for procreate, to bear children. This is a biological reality. How does homosexuality accomplish that. So from a scientific perspective it is an abnormality.
From the Bible we all know from Sodom and Gomorrah in the old testament, to St. Paul writings in the New Testament, homosexuality was condemned. Beside the need to satisfy man’s sinful and depraved nature, can anyone give me the basis for homosexuality.
Morris, you really want us to believe that every time you have sex you plan to have children? Maybe you even sit on your knees and pray first?. I’m a full blooded heterosexual and not ashamed or embarrassed to admit that sex is enjoyable in it own right.Come on man, free up!
I am simply stating that Homosexuality, like beastiality is an abnormality. A man wanting to have sex with a dog has no intentions to breed the dog but is simply doing for pleasure. Should we allow that as a society. You see what I am getting from these post, even from some of us who profess christianity is that, every man is his own God. He makes his own rules. If homosexuality is right then the Holy, all powerfull, inerrant, all Loving God made the biggest mistake in destroying Sodom and Gomorrah.
To present homosexuality as a “western depravity” is the highth of prejudice, wrong, ridiculous and counterproductive. One may as well label christianity itself as a “Western Imposition”.
I’m sure that practising homosexuals here, in Africa or in Asia do not attribute their orientation to “Western depravity”.As far as I know people like this have been around since the beginning of mankind and as the accepted scientific view is that all humans originally hail from Africa why not blame the “Africans” in the same non-sensical way. I am not for promoting any blatant sexual exchibitionism, be it homosexuasl or heterosexual and am of the opinion that the homosexual lobby does it self a disservice by agressively pushing their agenda into the majority’s face in an attempt make them feel that they are abnormal for not accepting,or sharing their notions. There was a time when “gay” was synonymous with “happy” and I urge all my gay friends to be happy without causing offence.
Now good Christians did Jesus condemn gays, no, Jesus said all have sin and come short, that means Mr.anti Gay, have come short and so have all the good christian people, shouting anti-gay. Jesus or Paul said, once you too were like them. So let us leave gay people, to sort themselves with their God, while we respect them and give them equal rights, and sort ourselves with our God, we too damn hypocrit. God hate hypocrit.
“Obsession?” It sounds like this ridiculous Christian pressure group is far more obsessive. They describe Kirby as “obsessive” about gay rights for no other reason than, apparently, because he is himself gay. Huh? How is that obsessive? How is it shocking or bad that a person campaigning for gay rights is–drumroll–gay? Straights and gays campaign together for human rights, but obviously homosexuals will campaign for their own rights.
That this frenzied bit of garbage is a “press release” is unsurprising, since it is so clearly biased towards the Christian pressure group. They accuse gay rights activists of “neo-colonialism” while failing to acknowledge that it was colonialism that instilled bible-based homophobia into the Caribbean in the first place. They also do not mention that their own pressure tactics are simply another form of colonialism–a kind of “do what I say because I say it is good” tactic.
The Caribbean will benefit far more from learning about homosexuality, religion, unbelief, history, science–everything, baiscally–than staying as medieval and backwards-looking as it currently is. All you posters crying out that we are in the end times–shame on you. Harold Camping claimed the world would end today, October 21st–but it hasn’t, and it won’t. Similarly, the world will not end–what does that even mean?–because gay people are given the rights they deserve as human beings. After all, they’ve been around since homo sapiens have, and we’re all still alive and kicking, aren’t we?
dont you ever get exhausted of writing trivial things?
If what I wrote was trivial, I might.
Also, I’d be quite delighted if you could show me precisely what is trivial in what I wrote, perhaps by quoting it and then explicating, perhaps with footnotes, exactly how it is trivial; and, afterwards, you could perhaps tell me exactly how to un-trivialize what is so trivial in the above.
Best of luck!
you seem to be very sure of yourself, it’s clearly observed in your little paragraphs. also, you seem a harsh opponent of the Christian beliefs, and uncompromisingly so– your responses to others on here are vestiges of evidence to that.
As to where i differ and find most of your conclusions trivialities is as follows:
1) People are not coerced or shanghaied in any way to accept or reject, in the present day, religious beliefs; they do so, whatever their choses are, in a free way, not by any colonialist or neo-colonialist influence. 2) colonialism is over, there is nothing such as that again. people just, whenever they cannot answer a problem, say it’s neo-colonialism, it’s American or the west hegemonic mechanisms. lastly, im not anti-gay because i am an advocate of individual liberty, but i find you lay undue stress unjustifiably on it.
1) If you don’t think people are ever coerced into religious beliefs, then you are living in some fantastical realm. Religious tyranny is alive and well. Timor-Leste under Indonesian rule is a modern and horrific example of this, as is Saudi Arabia; you see it when people who depict Muhammed are murdered by fanatical Muslims, as in the case of Theo van Gogh and in the fatwa placed upon Salman Rushdie’s head; somewhat more subtly, you see it in the ongoing debates in the USA and now in parts of Britain over whether or not Creationism (a religious worldview masquerading as science) should be taught in science classrooms alongside (or in place of) evolution. You see it in the contemporarary rhetoric of theocracritic domination–dominionism–in the words of the Tea Party and many far-right Republicans, including, most chillingly, in the speeches of presidential candidates like Rick Perry and Michelle Bachmann. It may not be a tyranny in Dominica, but to tell me that religion is something freely chosen by any and all is astonishing and shameful naivete that could only be uttered by someone living in wonderland.
2) I think postcolonialism is often more or less a joke as an academic discipline, but not always, since colonialism is certainly not dead. It is true the term is bandied about far too often, but it is not gone.
So, no. I do not think my topics are trivial at all. As for my posts–well, I really have little idea if they help anyone see beyond the mainstream. But who knows. Here’s hoping.
Anonymous, need we remind you of the “inquisition” when people were forcibly converted into the catholic faith? We should remember, lest we forget!
you are so vainglorious in your messages saying things like ‘best of luck.’
I’m usually half-joking when I say things like “best of luck.” Admittedly, it’s hard to judge tone of voice online. Nonetheless, I would rather be “vainglorious” than the person who had the naivete to claim that religious subjugation and colonialism do not exist in the modern world.
I’m talking in the Caribbean context. Aren’t we democratic and free to choose what we want to believe and practices. you seems to be an opponent in a literary sense of this ideals.
Well, it depends what you mean by “free.” If you just mean that we can choose to practice different faiths or be unbelievers/agnostics without threat from the government, then yes, we are free. However–and this is the important distinction–this freedom is only really “freedom” in name, since there is not only a clear majority of one faith but a majority that does not often take kindly to minority belief systems. It is one thing to be a minority religion/religious view in a society that generally tolerates or is indifferent towards different religious views; it is quite another to find oneself at risk for subscribing to a minority view.
Take Jamaica. If you publicly declare yourself to be anything but Christian–and especially if you declare yourself to believe in no religion at all–you run the risk of being attacked. At best, these attacks will be verbal; at worst, they will be physical. Jamaica is so thoroughly Christian a country that one is literally at potential risk if one wishes to publicly declare oneself as subscribing to a very different religious view. This does not mean a Hindu or a Buddhist will be beaten-up on sight, obviously; but the chance is there, and the chance is too high.
The same, I would argue, is true for many of the islands, though the risk is probably lower than in Jamaica. In a place like Trinidad, where Hinduism and Christianity coexist, unbelief is perhaps more of a risky public position than simply an alternate religious position; but even Trinidad has a history of conflict between Hindus and Christians, at the same time that it has a history of those two being mixed (Kamla Persaud-Bissessar has said more or less the same thing herself; she has been called a “Hindu Christian” before).
Why the danger? Because of ignorance. If we existed in a more open, tolerant society, fine; but we don’t as yet. Making certain religous positions public CAN potentially put one at risk in the islands; and because of this, “freedom” is more in name than in practice. This does not mean everyone pretends to be something and that no one speaks up; but I think many who hold divergent religious views keep quiet out of fear or out of the desire not to get into arguments with the wrong people–to keep life simple. My contention is that it should not be like this; we should be free to say what we are and why we are. Things aren’t terrible, no; but they could be much improved.
you are so arrogant vainglorious in your messages saying things like ‘best of luck.’
anyone who agrees that it’s ok to be gay either they are gay or something is wrong with them.God created Adam and Eve and everyone should know the meaning of that if u want o be gay keep it to yourself thats would be between u and God but dont involve the government in ur personal affairs by legalizing nastiness
@ Linda – Yes, and anyone who suppots sending condoms to Africa is a condom.
@cerberus as well as humanist: To the former, the inquisition was a catholic malpractice motivated not by the bible but by the greed for wealthy, not Lutheran or protestant, and, therefore, this is a trivial argument; because if I’ve to bring the argument of eugenics ascribe directly to atheistic tendencies, there atrocities, which span some years are without a horrific comparison to the inquisition which you are so keen to shed light on.
To the latter, Govts. around the world are secular and know very well religion and public affairs are exclusive; thus they should comprehend that they (the government) should not mesh the two. moreover, i have never heard OF or witness any case of afflicting physiologically harm on someone IN THE CARIBBEAN who share a different belief other than his orthodox neighbor; and if there is one please show me. it is also true that the Jamaicans would be very unhappy if they would be aware of someone implicitly displaying them as intolerant and hostile towards other cultures and religions.
In short, i am not saying that Christianity or other world religions are prefect and at all times gives us the best answers. they do have defects. but, they remain as important to us as they have been throughout the previous history of man in guiding us to the moral behavior.
Eugenics has nothing to do with religion or unbelief. It was a corrupt set of scientific and pseudo-scientific attempts to modify the human race, with the possible purpose of creating a “master” race. Eugenics can be practiced by someone of any and all religions. It is certainly not practiced in the name of atheism. Does atheism tell you to eugenically alter other people? Of course not, since it has no doctrines. If an atheist got involved in eugenics, that’s his or her fault. It’s certainly not the fault of atheism. It is very difficult to commit crimes in the name of atheism, whereas religion, as it tells you what to do, makes committing crimes against humanity (genocide, rape, execution, child abuse) very easy. All of these, in fact, occur in the Old Testament. Extraordinarily, god himself leads the genocides.
A guide to moral behavior? The god of the bible? I cannot believe it.
How can you read the Old Testament and come away with any sense of morality? This deity is a dictator who tells people–people of his own creation, mind you–to follow him or be tortured eternally. This self-same god made such eternal torture for not following his whims possible, and this omniscient being already knows well who will obey and who will be damned. He therefore could stop it–as well as all the suffering in the world–and DOESN’T! This is an evil being. Don’t be blinded by a few nice passages–and, yes, there are a few excellent ethical passages in the bible, primarily in the New Testament. The fact is that, even if there are nice passages, they do not add up against or make up for the atrocious ones. How can you possibly look with reverence at a book that tells you to execute a married woman if she is not a virgin when is married; a book that tells you to stone disobedient children to death; that glorifies Samson’s murder of thousands of people; a book where a deity throws a hissy-fit and annihilates everyone but Noah and his family on some ridiculous ark said to hold every animal (dinosaurs, too?) Herman Melville said he had written an evil book after finishing Moby Dick. I would say the same of the bible.
And look at the rest of the vast universe around us, of which we are virtually nothing. If some deity did create us, why all the rest of the unbelievably large universe? Why the millions of planets, many likely containing life? Why the distances so vast we can never even get to the edge of the Milky Way? Why do scientific discoveries contradict nearly everything your precious book says?
You can follow your bible on faith if you so desire; but do not try to tell me it makes sense, morally or logically, to do so.
Furthermore, on the eugenics point, just to show how utterly wrong you are, I direct you to a well-known article by Dennis Durst on how eugenics was in fact accepted and even outright called for by evangelical Christians in the twentienth century:
http://www.ethicsandmedicine.com/archive/18/summer02_commentary3.php
You are making too many reductions in your line of thinking. Sure, there is a path from social Darwinism to eugenics. But evolution–which, mind you, is not the same as social Darwinism–is not a religious position; accepting the theory of evolution says nothing about whether one is religious or not. The same goes for eugenics. You can support it without being an atheist, and in fact, as the article above shows, it certainly occurred with Christians. Eugenics, furthermore, does not even need the theory of evolution to exist, and it has precursors as far back as Plato.
In brief: you are rather incorrect.
what are you talking about? you seem to be answering everything but actually answering nothing. Are you not trying to answer any of my questions? Stop quibbling.
Weren’t ‘Stalin and Hitler’ atheist? weren’t Germany, in general, ultra-national atheist, who were trying to achieve a master race?
further, if you follow Jesus’ laws how can you do evil. matter-of-factly, what is it in Jesus’ laws that is evil, pinpoint that to me then i with rightly give you the concession that you merit. but, hitherto, you have just been writing, ever since your rebuttal inaugurated, considerable twaddle.
You bring up the bible as a source of morality, and when I show that the god of the Old Testament is immoral, I’m saying “nothing.” Quite logical, eh?
Stalin was atheist; Hitler was most certainly not. But Stalin certainly did not commit his crimes in the name of atheism. How could he have? Those arguments about Stalin and Hitler–particularly Hitler–are common creationist tactics that really do nothing for you, since Stalin’s atheism is merely incidental to his crimes, and Hitler was at points in his life certainly Christian, as were his soldiers; there is no proof he was an atheist during or before his crimes.
As for Germany–nope. Germany has a history of intellectual atheism and skepticism, but it is not an atheist country.
Atheism has nothing to do with master races or racism or anything beyond the denial of the existence of theistic gods. That denial is all. You cannot tie atheism directly to evolution (since atheism existed long before Darwin did), to eugenics, to WWII crimes, etc. And, even if you could prove that Stalin was motivated solely by atheism–which is absurd, but let’s assume this for a moment–you would still have nothing comparable to the crimes committed in the name of religion.
As for my “quibbling”: you are ignoring the Old Testament, I see. It’s a part of your bible! How can you pretend its atrocities are somehow fine? Did Jesus wave a magic wand over them and make them okay? Does Jesus change the violent dictatorial nature of the Old Testament god? Or does god’s depiction change as people–key word–decide he needs to?
Jesus’ laws himself are generally good, but he nonetheless says things like to give away all your property and follow him–perhaps because he delusionally believed the world was going to end soon–and to turn the other cheek when someone hits you. Metaphorically, these are okay; in practice, they are crazy. And then you have strange things, like Jesus cursing the fig tree for selfish reasons and putting demons into pigs and cursing them forever. You also have the rather uncool story of Doubting Thomas, who is reprimanded for merely doing what any intelligent person should do: doubt an extraordinary claim, the resurrection, in this case.
At any rate, even if Jesus’ teachings were ethically flawless, that would not–and this is the most important point–make his supernatural claims true. I view Jesus, if he existed (biblical scholars have long shown that all we have as “proof” of Jesus’ existence is hearsay, stories about stories from others living after he supposedly did), as a moral teacher in some ways; but I stop there. Nothing in Jesus’ words can prove to me that your religion–or any other–is true.
In any case, humanist, these savagery, whether or not it was advocate not enthusiastically by the Christian minority, in a misinformed fashion totally unconnected with any biblical quotations, was, and is driven, in part or wholly, from the men that you most fervently champion, namely, the scientist.
these beautiful theory, superficially based on clinical experimentation, brought unto this world ,in just a short space of time, the most horrific episodes in human history. likewise, the nuclear bombs and experimentation, which they (the hypocritical U.S. government, which were the first to employ them) are fighting to thwart these days, are needless to talk about, because the evils that it have nursed and is still propagating, far outshine the former in its barbarisms, i.e., eugenics. ponder on that you dogmatic atheist. lol
read theis about hitler to Christianity http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler's_religious_views#Statements_against_atheism the man was against christain. read Nietzsche and see who he was influenced by him.
All right, you are laughably illiterate. What you posted confirms MY statement. Can you read? This says “statements AGAINST atheism!” The section contains numerous statements that align him AGAINST atheists!
Man, you are an embarrassing fool. If you can’t even read, don’t bother posting to me in the future.
Did you not read the part where he said that Christianity is fit only for slaves? also he said that the only God is Germany and men should fight to the death to preserve her. further, he was born into a religious family, and his mother, which he had a particular ardor for, was in the main catholic; so he would, like everybody born into religion, would be influenced by it. again, i see you didn’t read let alone savvy the part where he abandoned this faith.
in his own words:”terrorism in religion is, to put it briefly, of a Jewish dogma, which Christianity has universalized and whose effect is to sow trouble and confusion in men’s minds.”
humanist tell me some of the methods or sayings Hitler used that is or contained the bible.
try to read between the lines so you can gain knowledge. Hitler genocidal acts where never motivated by the bible and, if he was, then, it was a misinterpretation, dogmatic atheist u are.
Homosexuality is just wrong!!! Plain and Simple.. No ifs No buts!!!
I know alot of people gonna oppose my comment including those who pushing poop!!
at least Mr Michael Kirby is not hiding behind any shadow, he is upfront about what he wants and what he believes. Does not necessarily mean we have to give in to his request..just saying
Is anyone surprised this guy is into fruitiness?
The Commonwealth of Dominica is an island in the Caribbean Sea located between the French overseas territories of Guadalupe to the north and Martinique to the south.
Dominica belongs to the British Commonwealth and shouldn´t be confused with the Dominican Republic, another Caribbean nation.
Does that Ring a bell i think it says we are still not Autonomous
who is our rep?
my take on this:
who is the delegation representing the region? – we need to ensure that they are anti gay
gay tourism is alright – we need to ensure that the industry does not survive, by continuing with our anti gay protests
i hope our delegate will use his head and vote against gay and their rights dominica dont need these kind of things we are corrupted enough we need no more.
I am a staunch Catholic and anti-gay marriage but I gotta say, just because I am anti-gay marriage, does not mean I can force my beliefs down people’s throats. And so, I do not want anyone forcing their beliefts down my throat.
Also, as a Christian, I realize that these things must come to pass – to fulfill scriptures. We ARE living in the end of times people! This homo rights thing is just one sign. Be on guard!
@mindme just a flat out question,do you believe that christ,would have written a statement so,like the one you have posted,on the basis that you are a chritian,am just looking at your upper statement from a different prospective.or angle.
It’s either we stand for righteousness or stand for holiness, or don’t stand at all, because being religious is not good enough for God the Father. Religion is not what we stand for.
that is exactly why i asked the question concerning being a christian,christ had o tolerance on all manners of sin, so why should a christian write a statement with somewhat partiality,is either you in or either you out,there is no middle in christianity.