In response to the claim of the advocacy group, Minority Rights Dominica (MiriDom) that the Catholic Church in Dominica is not reflecting the Vatican’s position on unjust discrimination towards homosexual persons, I wish to make it clear that the Catholic Church in Dominica adheres to the call of the Holy See in its statement to the 63rd session of the General Assembly of the United Nations on the Declaration of Human Rights, sexual orientation and gender identity, “to condemn all forms of violence against homosexual persons as well as to urge all States to take necessary measures to put an end to all criminal penalties against them.”
The Catholic Church maintains that free sexual acts between adult persons must not be treated as crimes to be punished by civil authorities. The Vatican specifically objected to the declaration’s use of the term sexual orientation and gender identity, which it said had no established meaning in international law. According to the Vatican newspaper, L’Osservatore Romano, these terms imply that sexual identity is defined only by culture, and their use in the declaration is part of an attempt to equate same-sex unions with marriage and to give homosexual couples the chance to adopt or procreate children.”
This is where I think it is necessary to bring into focus the moral question. It is very important to note that the role of the Church in any society is primarily a moral one. She is not at liberty to change the divine mandate at will or according to human expediency. She has no authority to make a wrong into a right. She only serves as a guide to direct the faithful to what is morally correct and to discourage them from spiritually perilous decisions that can hinder their salvation. Homosexual “activity,” according to Holy Scriptures, is among many wrongs which, if not controlled, can lead to spiritual death. Among these are adultery, fornication, orgies, calumny, deep seated hatred, and the like (cf. Rom 13:13; Gal 5:16-21). These, along with homosexual “activity” will never be right, whether they are decriminalized by the State or not.
Part of the problem we face in this post- modern world is what both Popes John Paul II and Benedict XVI, refer to as a dictatorship of relativism. What it means is that there is no longer an objective truth that should guide human decisions; what is important for many persons is what “I” perceive to be good for “me”. We seem to recognize neither the natural law nor the divine law. This attitude no doubt directly influences our sense of morality.
The Church in its role as moral guide does not exist to condemn human persons but rather to condemn lifestyles and behaviours that are not in keeping with the divine law. Therefore, just as the Church has a responsibility to bring an adulterer to repentance she has the same responsibility towards those who indulge in homosexual “activity.”
Let me take this opportunity to share with you the Church’s position on same-sex unions. In the Christian order of things, it has everything to do with our understanding of the divinely established structure for perpetuation of the human species; a structure which is unchangeable. In the book of Genesis we read that God created human beings; in his image and likeness he created them male and female (Cf. Gen 2:37). Human beings therefore reflect the image of God when they are united in love, a love which comes out of their complementarity. God made man male and female to complement each other and together be an image of God.
In the Catholic understanding, there is a sacramental dimension of marriage. It simply means that the human participation in the union of a man and his wife reveals in some way the nature of God. Part of the vocation of married couples is to generate their own species, a direct fruit of the union. As Pope John Paul II puts it, “when a couple, man and woman, are joined in the sexual embrace, they are filled with sanctifying grace.” A couple united in marital embrace which is open to creativity, is the image of God the Creator. Therefore, for us who believe, same-sex unions can never be a sacrament and therefore can never be accepted by the Church as valid marriages. They may be licit, according to the State in which they are permitted by the civil law, but they can never be valid in the face of the divine law, as we understand it.
There is an attempt today to redefine marriage to say that it is a union between two persons. Marriage is between a man and a woman, not between just two persons. This is the only definition in the Christian order.
In conclusion, I wish to affirm that there is such a thing as an objective law, no matter which philosophy some people may hold. Some things are right and some things are wrong whether we like it or not. What is according to God’s law is right and what is contrary to God’s law is wrong; and all of us are called to live by God’s law if salvation is part of our agenda. Therefore, whether it regards fornication, adultery, homosexual activity, the whole gamut, we have to live by God’s law.
We live in an age in which people say, it is my body and I can do whatever I want with it. St. Paul reminds us that our bodies are temples of God’s Spirit and therefore deserve our utmost respect. They must not be treated just in any other way.
There is merit in the Bishop’s statement. He does not condone homosexuality and is only saying that it should be decriminalized. He is saying that people should not do such things but these things should be sins not crimes.
However here are two things you should understand.
(1) This directive probably came from the Vatican. It is likely all the Bishops were told to give the same message.
(2) Centuries ago The Roman Catholic Church did not hesitate to use the civil authorities to punish those who defied its authority and disobeyed its teachings. They turned ”heretics” over to the police to be dealt with severely by the courts. Homosexuality is so harmful (please see my comments on this page) I would expect the church to use every means at its disposal to rescue people from this lifestyle and minimise the damage. This includes the government and the laws of the land.
Sincerely, Rev. Donald Hill, Evangelist.
Who advocates for homosexuality
Apart from the gays themselves It seems to be people who have not looked at the large picture of things and have not taken into consideration all the facts involved.
In spite of he fact that many of these people go to church and follow some kind of religion either they (a) do not know, or (b) they do not care that the Bible forbids homosexuality in Romans 1:26,27, 1 Corinthians 6:9,10 and other passages.
For 2,000 years the Christian church has said homosexuality is a sin based upon its understanding of these scriptures.
Nations with a Christian heritage have had laws prohibiting homosexuality for hundreds of years.
It is not for religious reasons alone we oppose homosexuality. It is an unhealthy lifestyle.
Homosexuals have more mental health issues than straight people. They suffer more from depression. They have a higher rate of alcoholism. With no family of their own they experience more loneliness in their senior years…
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They have higher suicide rates. Statistics show they have shorter life spans.
Homosexuals are more prone to violence. They are more frequently involved in crimes so gruesome the media will not publish the details OR they will not reveal that the criminals were homosexuals for the sake of political correctness.
Less than 3% of the American population is homosexual. Yet this small minority has perpetrated 68% of
all the serial killings in American in the past 20 years.
A random sampling of 59 US serial killers after 1960 as collected and studied. Of these convicted murderers 39 were gay, 66%.
The minority of the population that is homosexual accounts for about a third of child molesters, and two thirds of child rapes, and may be involved in up to half of all murders.
This information has been taken from the internet.
These reasons are enough to prevent people from becoming involved in this sin.
Sincerely, Rev. Donald Hill. Evangelist.
This response was very well put together. I am only now following up on all this gay rights debate in my country. If I was next to you Bishop, I would shake your hand for that response. I agree the act should be decriminalized but that does not make it moral.
Homosexuality is spiritually destructive, physically harmful, and socially degrading.
A government that cares for the wellbeing of its people should have laws against this vile behavior. You only need to look at the devastation caused by HIV alone. Men who have sex with other men are the largest people group affected by HIV/AIDS in Dominica making 70% of the cases. Then there is the other 30% who are women most of whom were infected by bi-sexual husbands or boyfriends.
Since this is a preventable disease governments should be treating it as they would a national security threat.
No, it should NOT be decriminalized.
Sincerely, Rev. Donald Hill. Evangelist.
PERFECT RESPONSE.
If we fight against crimes in general then it would not be necessary to make a separate fight for crimes against homosexuality. Crimes should be forbidden in general. The church is getting mix up in something that makes no sense, we have become like lost sheep taking apples and calling it orange. There should be no crimes against children, women, men, boy, boy, girl or even animals. No tolerance for crime period. We do not have to stand up for homosexuality in the name of protecting against crimes. Let us just fight crime period.
Do you realize that the Catholic Church was addressed and challenged and they expected a response? This is It’s response. Therefore it is befitting that the Bishop responded.
The Law includes homosexuals just as other residents. Therefore, I do not see why they had to include the Catholic Church in their business. I also do not know why they have to set themselves apart from other Dominicans. You do not see married people going about proclaiming I am married; likewise single people. They want to be recognized and to be so-called legally married. This is what it boils down to. People are fools to think and to agree that two people of the same sex should be married. It is so stupid. It makes no sense whatsoever. When they come up with their foolishness which is an abomination, they should just be ignored.
y wud dey even think of have tht thing here.its adam and eve not adam and steve
The buttock was not designed for sexual activity as this can cause physical harm.
Oh please. Divine authority. Please!! Did he ever hear of the borgia pope? Please Moral authority? he makes it sound like one must be spiritual to be moral. Please bishop your words might fool some neophyte but any educated person can see very clearly that your argument has no warrants. You refer to genesis as your warrant but OUR CATHOLIC church tells us the story of adam and eve is not true. It simply explains that God created everything. So if the story is not true why are you using it to defend marriage? I mean why not use a fairy tale? Please bishop. Like tamar says ” get yo life”
Well said Bishop! I conquer 200%. Thank you for reminding me of what it feels like to be proud to call myself Catholic and for showing us that the Church still adheres to morality inspite of worldly pressures to the contrary.
what happened to my comment to Gary, he needs to read this
It saddens me to read these comments here….the Catholic church is so out of touch…we are all children of God!!..regardless of sexual orientation
Mamzelle, who told you we are all children of God? By virtue of what? I’m guessing that it’s because you believe He created us all. Well, if that is so, then why did He DELIBERATELY create us male and female? What was His intention or purpose for doing so? So when male goes with male and female with female, how are we fulfilling His eternal purpose? Should we then still flatter ourselves that it’s ok in the eyes of the One who designed us? Does He care at all what we with the bodies and minds He designed? I’m puzzled.
How would you feel if you bought your child a pair of expensive shoes and she took it to go hiking the Morne Trois Pitons trail? Or worse, how would you feel if she turned her bedroom into a literal junkyard? Would you just say, “Well, she can do what she wants; it’s still my child?” What would your reality be?
I reckon you would still love that child, because she’s yours. But you would not approve of her actions. God loves everyone but some actions don’t meet His approval because they go against His revealed will, design, and purpose. That’s not hard to understand. That’s not being out of touch, is it?
We are all CREATION of God, but we are not children. Only those who recieve and belive on the name of the LORD Jesus Christ are given the right to be called children of God (John 1:12). Believing means to adhere to God’s word/teachings through the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
we need to adhere to the constitution that God has laid out for us in the bible.
Others can do as they please and will answer to God and to their civil authorities whether they live in Dominica, Canada, or the U.S.A.
What I am saying applies only to Christians – BORN AGAIN Christians – washed in the Blood of Christ, and indwelt by the Holy Spirit.
We understand that a law is invalid if it is unconstitutional. Show me a law that is contrary to a clear statement of the National Constitution and I will say that law should be stricken from the books. The proper way to pursue this is to
draw it to the attention of your government through the government representative nearest you. Follow this up and politely request an answer as to what is being done about it.
However, most of the talk about a law being unconstitutional is a lot of crock. The law they want changed does not go against the Constitution. The law goes against their erroneous interpretation of the Constitution.
For example our Constitution in Canada was written by God fearing men to provide equal rights for all. However, nothing in the Constitution was intended to provide “equal rights” for men to marry men or women to marry women. This nonsense was unheard of at that time. Proof that no statement in the Constitution was intended to provide “gay rights” is found in the fact that our government (knowing full well that any laws passed had to be constitutional) went ahead and passed laws making homosexual practices illegal.
However, governments everywhere should know this. Evangelical Christians are increasing both in numbers and influence. We are fully aware that just as a law is not valid if it is unconstitutional neither is any statement in the Constitution valid if it is contrary to – or goes against – the clear instructions God has given us in the Holy Scriptures.
We (Evangelical Christians) may not be able at this time to stop our government from decriminalizing same sex marriages as has been done in Canada and other nations. However, neither are these governments able to force us to
respect, honor, or obey any statement or clause in the Constitution, or any law that is contrary to the clear command and instructions GOD has given us in the New Testament scriptures.
At election time will be asking where our political candidates stand on the moral issues of the day and we WILL vote for these who best reflect our values. We know that it will take time so we will not be discouraged. Don’t expect us to cave in because it is not going to happen. Our numbers are increasing in some nations and strong (might I say militant?) leaders are rising up among us . Ultimately the forces of darkness will be overthrown!
Sincerely, Rev. Donald Hill. International Evangelist.
We are all children of God but some have turn to their own way and have not chosen the way of God. Therefore exposing themselves to his wrath.
Sorry. We are not all children of God.
As sons and daughters of Adam and Eve we were born sinners separated from God.
The Bible clearly states that we were “…by
nature the children of wrath…” (Ephesians 2:3)
This is why Jesus told Nicodemus a Jewish rabbi “…”Except a man be born again he cannot see the kingdom of God. (St. John 3:3)
The Bible teaches that there are two classes of people in the world: the SAVED and the LOST. Jesus said “For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which is lost.”
Only those who believe in the lord Jesus Christ and personally receive Him as their Savior are children of God. The Bible says “He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become sons of God.” (St. John 1:11,12)
We must believe ithat Christ died for our sins on the cross and rose again accoding to
Those who habitually live sinful lives of lust and perversion are not children of God. When Christ comes into our hearts and lives He changes us. The Bible sdays “…old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.” (1 Corinthians 5:17)
I invite you to visit my website http://www.livinghopeministries.ca and click onto SERMONS. Then click onto my sermon THE NEW BIRTH.
Sincerely, Rev. Donald Hill. Pentecostal Evangelist.
The Bishop has spoken. He was quite frank and fair about the issue of homosexuality and the crime against homosexuals. As a human being he condemned the violence against them. However as a man of God and a man of morality he gave logical reasoning against homosexuality. Hence, to those who believe that the body is the temple of God then refrain from doing what you want with it. To those whose agenda is resurrection, and salvation please follow the divine law that God gave us from the creation: the law that MAN and WOMAN must be together to populate the Earth. TAKE HEED! LISTEN!
I couldn’t help but notice that this is the same response when the abolition of slavery was being introduced.
The Church supported slavery and anti-abolitionists quoted the Bible to defend their cause.
Wars were fought, and lives were lost. Nevertheless, slavery was eventually abolished and so will discrimination towards homosexual persons.
How can u try to equate slavery with a choice that men make to be with each other??
It is not the same and don’t let anyone try to fool you.
Do you know that Black gay men are refused entry in white bars? so it is not about choice but about color.
You are born in your shin color and have free will to do what u want.
Because that is what happened. The bible was used to defend slavery. because Jesus said ” slaves should be obedient to their master”. Did you not read that part?
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I understand your point of view but will disagree with you on this statement of love because it is recorded that when a man marries his wife they two shall become one flesh which s a great mystery therefore apart from the love embodied therein, there is also a spiritual dimension where the union through marriage produces children. Remember there are children of the flesh and children of promise which happens out of love iwhen married therefore love does not only mean what I can do or get when I can or the abuse of women for sexual pleasures. . Gods love is more meaningful that temporary pleasures.
“There is nothing in that part of scripture which indicated an infatuation with the flesh of a woman or man. When I run after a woman because of the way her body looks, that has nothing to do with love, for the God kind of love is long term suffering, dand tolerance.”
Gary, the first time I read a comment you made on DNO, I thought of you as an intelligent person, however the more I read you these days, I am finding out that you seem to be only a Simi-illiterate person, you are delusional, and confounded, and confused as can be!
You are closer to ignorant than anything else, and more than confused than I thought. One of the ways one can find out if someone is truly educated is by reading and analyzing the comments they make, we look for intellectual consistency; you do not have that trait in you!
I ignored you last week when you kept throwing some copied rhetoric someone threw at you, talking nonsense about my ego; again yesterday, you came back with the same nonsense, I told you in one post you have no idea what you are talking about when you speak of my ego, I gave you a hint lasts week, perhaps you missed it.
I have no time to waste on small minded, people with less than an elementary education; you and I may occupy space on DNO, however, our educational background are completely different; if you notice more than ninety (90%) percent of my contributions are intellectual, I do not waste time on your sort of garbage, except when I wish to be sarcastic, or humorous.
You seem to like the subject of homosexuality, if you are an homosexual, that is between you and whatever god you serve. However, I serve my God Jehovah through his Son Jesus Christ my Lord, therefore I cannot condone any homosexual acts, I cannot give you support in this respect.
I will not sit at a table and eat with you because of your homosexual conduct, the same as I will not associate myself with a drug dealer, nor a habitual criminal.
They say Birds of a feather flocked together, and a man is known by the company he keeps. If you are an homosexual and I associate with you that will become a stigma on me the same as it will be a stigma on you!
Now all the rest of the garbage you are talking about son, and sun, educate yourself, I’ve got mine, I am capable of errors and I make plenty when I write, but surely I know I am beyond your kind, and you.
Note that from here on I think very little of you, as a matter of fact I consider you a lesser specimen than I am.
My father once told me ” never argue with a fool, because the fool will always win the argument; because the fool only understands what originates within their mind, and nothing else.”
I recently read where someone said his grandmother taught him that one should never wrestle with a pig, I figured it out and discovered, to wrestle with a pig one has to go into the mud, and become a pig, and even at that the natural pig will continue wallow in the mud, while the human will have to find some means of cleaning themselves off!
Francisco Etienne-Dods Telemaque
Mr Telemaque .
Hello. You are rude and unprofessional and please stop writing such long paragraphs. We are board with your verbal diatram . If you want to write a book then do so and let us see how successful your book will be.
You know, sometimes I wonder if you know what self examination is. You mention about wrestling with a pig and getting in the mud with a pig and becoming a pig.Have you not seen what you wrote about me isn’t that describing your self going in mud which you pretend you don’t like, how funny.
You are just showing once again your illusionary.
You know, sometimes I wonder if you know what self examination is. You mention about wrestling with a pig and getting in the mud with a pig and becoming a pig.Have you not seen what you wrote about me, isn’t that describing your self going in mud which you pretend you don’t like, how funny.You are just showing once again your illusionary mind
Francisco you make me laugh. That is all I can do when I read your comments.
I am a born again christian and i believe that homosexual conduct is forbidden and a sin. However God told me to love everyone and treat them the way i would want to be treated.
Therefore i think homosexuals should have the same rights i have. They must not however try to FORCE their opinions on me. We can disagree and love each other. I definitely will not say they will burn in hell. Everyone has to work out their own salvation with fear and trembling. I am trying my best to work out my own salvation
Hello. I agree and I can’t understand why we want to judge others. Everybody is responsible for their conduct and they must answer when their time comes.
They must not force their conduct on us and expect us to condone their actions. They are too bold and aggressive.
The only right they have is to be treated humanely as each one of us. As people of the same sex, they do not have the right to get married. God ordained that marriage is between one man and one woman. Who is going to question God about what he ordained?
As the Jewish Proverb:
“Don’t question God. He will say, if you want answers come up here.” This ‘here’ will be your eternal judgment as you have lived.
Those who practice this immorality are mocking God. God will not be mocked for those who do will get just what they deserve. They will pay for it, a dear price.
Homosexuals have the same right I have and that is to marry somebody of the opposite gender.
Does a man have a “right” to have sex with a child?
Does a man have a “right” to commit incest?
Does a man have a “right” to have more than one wife?
Does a man have a “right” to commit bestiality?
This “rights” argument if the most foolish thing have ever heard. It can be applied to anything. Naturally, here are things we do NOT have a right to do. That is what separates us from the jungle.
A homosexual thinks he has a right to bugger another man. Where does this “right” come from? It feels good so he thinks this gives him the “right” to do it.
People who commit every other kind of perversion now want equal “rights” along with homosexuals. But what they don’t realize is that God created us and He does have the right to forbid certain types of behavior on the penalty of eternal damnation.
Romans 1:26,27, 1 Corinthians 6:9,10, 1 Timothy 1:9,10, Jude vs. 7.
Sincerely, Rev. Donald Hill. International Evangelist.
And of course I expect you would extend equal rights to polygamists, paedophiles, those who indulge in incest, and those who practice bestiality.
The problem with your thinking is that when it comes to sexual behavior God Himself has given us a model. It is simply this. The only sexual activity God approves is between a man and woman who are married to each other. They must be husband and wife. (Matthew 19:4-6) Sex outside of this kind of marriage is a sin the Bible calls fornication and it is strictly forbidden on penalty of eternal damnation. (1Corinthians 6:9,10) (Galatians 5:19-21)
If you allow for even one other kind of sexual activity apart from this baseline (sex within a Biblical marriage) you must allow for ALL other types of sex. If you do not you are discriminating. You are being partial and bias. If you allow for one exception to the baseline or model God has given us you MUST allow for them all.
Sincerely, Rev. Donald Hill. International Evangelist.
Bishop Malzaire: Thank you for interpreting for us Non-Catholics the statement from the Vatican and explaining how it will be applied by the Catholic Church in Dominica. I also appreciate your clear statements of what marriage is according to the Holy Scriptures and the fact that it cannot be re-defined. You have stated unmistakenly that fornication (including homosexuality), and adultery, are sins. I see no ambivilance in your declarations. What I take issue with is the directive from the Vatican that there should be no civil laws against homosexual acts and that such behaviour should not be prosecuted in the courts. Since some nations do presently have such laws this would amount to decriminalization if it is applied. Naturally the homosexual activists – no friends of the Catholic Church – are hoping your church will now join them in their lobbying to have the anti-buggery laws wiped from the books. Bishop, as you yourself well know, this will be the first step towards legalization. It will find expression first in giving what seems to be reasonable equal rights to homosexuals in lesser matters and will progess quickly to the legalization of same sex marriages and the right to adopt children. The Word of God forbids homosexual behaviour and this makes it sinful. God has appointed human government according to Romans 13:1-4. The laws of God as they pertain to marriage and homosexuality have always been so well understood by those countries with a Christian heritage they have been part of their national laws for hundreds of years. It is the responsibility of human government to represent the will of God on earth by upholding and enforcing the laws of God according to the scriptures I have referred to in Romans 13, especially verses 3-4. Dominica, along with other beautiful island nations in the Caribbean, have been blessed with governments that have supported the Biblical, traditional, church sanctioned model of marriage. Christians are called upon to be the salt of the earth (preventing corruption) and the light of the earth (dispelling darkness). This will only be the case when we bring our influence to bear upon society and the ruling authorities instead of bowing to them. Bishop, the statement from the Vatican troubles me because it is not the historical way the Catholic Church has always responded. This statement comes at a time when the Catholic Church is losing its influence. It no longer has the clout it once had and is now softening its stance to remain acceptable to the secular and increasingly ungodly governments of the world. At such a time we all need to meditate upon James 4:4 and I John 2:15. Sincerely, Rev. Donald Hill. Pentecostal Evangelist. I invite you to visit my website http://www.livinghopeministries.ca and read the ARTICLE entitled `Things that Cannot Be Shaken.`
Rev DH, you get it. The church needs to step away from involving themselves with state laws. Start practicing being neutral. Follow only God’s laws. Decriminalising Homosexuality – that is not your affair and should have nothing to do with the church and God’s laws. God’s word says ‘don’t practice it’. Your job Bishop is to make sure you and your members’ do not practice it. Leave the rest up to the State to enforce it’s laws against or for the practice and God to decide what he is going to do with his disobedient humans like he did with Sodom and Gomorrah. I was with the Bishop until he and the church decided to involve themselves with state affairs.
It appears to you that the Catholic Church is losing its clout. It isn’t. What has happened, the disobedient, stubborn and ignorant in faith decided to renounce their Catholic faith. They listened to people like you, not knowing what they had in the first place, that the Catholic Church has the fullness of faith. Satan has greatly influenced all of you and to think that the only Church Our Lord established on earth and approves of, having set his seal upon it, that it is losing. The day will come when you will see your error and of your words as imbedded in your heart and mind. Satan is no fool. He knows which Church Our Lord established on earth, which is The One True Church, The One which will prevail until the end of time as God ordained. This is why the cunning one has forced his way into that Church with his evil smoke and tempted the weak of spirit. If you are intelligent and spiritually enlightened you should know what I mean. This is why I remain steadfast and faithful in my Catholic Church, thanks be to God.
When He said to Peter, ‘…Upon this Rock I will build my Church…” at no time did he mean all those thousands of pockets of churches. Our Lord left us peace and unity; not confusion, lack of peace and unity. Those who formed their churches and led others to join theirs, they have caused this.
On the night before He was betrayed, He took bread and wine, blest them and said, “Take this, eat and drink all of you…Do this in memory of Me.” This is what is being done in the Catholic Churches throughout the world, in obedience to Our Lord’s commands and expectations, from the day this Church was established by St. Peter and will continue to do so until Judgment Day. Those who think adversely of the Catholic Church lack godly enlightenment and graces. God is with his Church. If it appears that it is losing, as it is stated in Romans, “There will be a remnant”. This is what St. Paul meant, those who will remain faithful to God, to His Catholic Church will obtain eternal salvation. Praise be to the Blessed Trinity.
If you believe in a higher power why is everyone concentrating on anything but the simplest references in the book you hold so dear.
Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. Mk. 4.24
According to the book it is God and God alone who is responsible for moral judgement. Leave the judgement for the people that wrote the book, reading it a couple of times does not make you God.
Remember by judging another man based on your morals and outside of the ten commandments you have gone against god and are committing a higher sin.
ME: This “judge not” scripture must be the misused and abused verse in the whole Bible! If we interpret it the way you do we would never be able to say anything is wrong. People could rape, murder, steal, and set houses on fire but we would not be able to say what they were doing was sinful or criminal! No, I am not God. I do not judge. God is the judge. He has given us His laws. A pastor, bishop, or evangelist is a person who has studied for years so he or she will understand the Bible well enough to explain it to others. Our job is not to judge. But we know from the scriptures that certain actions or types of behaviour is sinful. Our job is to tell people who do such things that they are breaking God’s law and will be punished if thy do not repent. For example: A policeman is not the judge. A lawyer is not the judge. But both these people know the law. They each have to tell people “this is a crime” or “that is a crime” and “if you are found guily you can be punished.” But it is the judge in court who decides if the individual is innocent or guilty and what if any the punishment will be. So it is God who will hand down the verdict of innocent or guilty and He who will pass the sentense if there is one. So ME please understand I am not playing judge. Bishop Malzaire is not playing judge. That is not our role. We are simply telling you what the law of God says and how it applies to the best of our ability, and doing what we can to see that people live by that law – because someday we will (myself included) face the judge! Sincerely, Rev. Donald Hill. Pentecostal Evangelist.
God has set out the punishments they are clear so why don’t we follow them for example:
(Deuteronomy 22: 20-21)
But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father’s house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father’s house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you.”
Deuteronomy 22:28-29
“If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.”
Seems a little light but I guess it’s the rules.
My point is who is the one that decides which of gods rules we will live by. We certainly do not allow people to rape our children for a few coins and we don’t stone women who are not virgins when married (well at least in our society). Who is making the decisions to change the will of god and on what basis.
“Me”, here are a few questions: What has God said concerning sexual activity between people of the same gender? Let’s take it further: What has God said between sexual activity between man and beast? Or between members of the same family? Judge not?
Leviticus 20:15
15 ” ‘If a man has sexual relations with an animal, he must be put to death, and you must kill the animal.
Leviticus 20:15 (King James Version)
15 And if a man lie with a beast, he shall surely be put to death: and ye shall slay the beast.
Leviticus 18:6-18
“None of you shall approach any one of his close relatives to uncover nakedness. I am the Lord. You shall not uncover the nakedness of your father, which is the nakedness of your mother; she is your mother, you shall not uncover her nakedness. You shall not uncover the nakedness of your father’s wife; it is your father’s nakedness. You shall not uncover the nakedness of your sister, your father’s daughter or your mother’s daughter, whether brought up in the family or in another home. You shall not uncover the nakedness of your son’s daughter or of your daughter’s daughter, for their nakedness is your own nakedness.
Again when god had a problem with our actions he let us know. If you read the statement I made I referenced the ten commandments and gods will for us to follow them.
As far as homosexuality Jesus never mentioned it directly it was Paul And Timothy. Jesus spoke out against sexual immorality. In your comments you make two assumptions 1. Everyone believes in you god and 2. if someone does believe in God they believe you should be the judge of crimes against the morality he set out. I guess you feel you have the right to “throw the first stone”.
If you believe in a higher power why is everyone concentrating on anything but the simplest references in the book you hold so dear.
Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. Mk. 4.24
According to the book it is God and God alone who is responsible for moral judgement. Leave the judgement for the people that wrote the book, reading it a couple of times does not make you God.
Remember by judging another man based on your morals and outside of the ten commandments you have gone against god and are committing a higher sin.
No Comment Just bear judgement
It seems to me that the United Nations has now become the moral conscience of the world, and have now assumed the role of GOD.
I would like the United Nations to tell me when was the third sex created , and by whom? As far as I recall God, according to the Bible created two sexes, male, and female one to be a companion unto the other.
As a man (male) one has rights, as a woman (female) one also has rights.What is GAY? and how is it that this group demands that people be tolerant of their behavior, attitudes, their right to speak freely, yet they would crucify any and all who dare to have or express a different view.
The sole purpose of sexual activity was for procreation, as such it was intended to be between a male and a female; however, mankind, the only life form that has sex for pleasure, seeks all sorts of devious ways to satisfy his selfish desires, and in this process turns to sodomy, which they rationalize as gay. No other life form engages in this behavior, as everything else in nature there is a time and a season, but mankind in his own great wisdom has determined that GOD’s handiwork is imperfect, but that his selfish desires, and immoral, unnatural acts are perfect.
I have no issues with grown adults and their specific bedroom behavior, but when these behaviours are been forced upon the entire society, including innocent children, I have a very serious problem.
I do not expect much from the Roman Catholic Church, in the way of guidance or direction, when it come to the morality of this matter given the numerous scandals that this church has been involved in with regards to child molestation, hence it would be natural for them to incorporate, or to surrender to these unnatural behavior.
We all sin, and while we don’t accept sin as normal behavior, and as sinners we are brothers, it does not mean that we should encourage the behavior.
I do not have to be violent with gay people, but I sure as hell don’t have to pamper to them and their disgusting public display of intolerance of my right not to accept their behavior.
No wonder Christianity is in disarray, and under such vicious attacks, even by some who profess and call themselves christian
Bernard, have you noticed, in all the comments we read, no one express any concern about how God ordained it to be.
One person commented God created man or people in his image and likeness, and went on to talk some nonsense about love.
You see the love of God is not what these people believe it to be, because the love of God has nothing to do with the way a man feels about a woman, or in this case a mans feelings towards another man! For the love that the Bible speaks about has nothing to do with what is known to be human infatuations.
When Jesus submitted himself to die on the cross for my sins, and the sins of those who would, or who ultimately accepted him as Lord and master in their life, he displayed an abundance of love for his people when he died on the cross.
That is why it is written in John 3:16.
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life”.
There is nothing in that part of scripture which indicated an infatuation with the flesh of a woman or man. When I run after a woman because of the way her body looks, that has nothing to do with love, for the God kind of love is long term suffering, and tolerance.
One of the reasons we find so many people including myself divorced after a marriage of almost twenty-nine years, is because there was no love in our affair, so when the beauty of my body was gone, and perhaps hers too, we could no longer be with each other, however if the God kind of love was in it, we would be able to withstand, and tolerate each other until one of us die of natural causes.
And my question to the United Nations, which is an organization dominated by the devil, and indeed the Roman Catholic Church is this; if God Jehovah who said he is the same yesterday, today and forever, hates homosexuality so much so; that thousands of years ago he destroyed thousands of homosexuals in one night living in the of Sodom and Gomorrah, two cities of which remnants were found in recent, proof that he destroyed people for their habit of homosexuality!
Howe on earth do they believe the same God who cannot change, does not change, will have any tolerance for the same sin in the twenty-first century?
Love and homosexuality and a mans feelings for a woman has nothing to do with God love!
Just because a majority of people like something does not make it right, I mean as many people like to drink rum, and get drunken, does not make drinking alcohol the appropriate thing to do, because we know from a scientific fact that alcohol destroys the body and life itself.
Francisco Etienne-Dods Telemaque
More verbal diarrhea again.But that’s OK you are just being who you are.You quoted John 3:16. Here is what you need to know.For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Sun, not son.The Sun is the light of the world,not the son if that Sun does come up we all perish period,we are dependent on that Sun it is our life savior on Earth, yes it is the center of the universe all things go around it providing everlasting life
our wonderful Sun.We should be always be thankful for the Sun when it raises in the Morning.It also
should be noted that it always comes after dankness,the night.
Gary, I cannot believe that there is an individual on this blog, who actually agrees with this piece of garbage which you wrote here. Or are you able to give yourself thumbs up–because I can’t.
“For God so loved the world that He gave His only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have Eternal Life.” John3: 16
You say that this verse talks about the “Sun?”
You mean to tell me that you do not know that when God said “let there be Light” at Genesis 1:3, He was not talking about the sun, moon and stars–but He had called for the conception and reproduction of His own nature Love–the Life He would give to His creation through Jesus Christ?
You mean to tell e that you do not know that God created physical light the sun, the moon and the stars on the forth day of His creation–not on the first day?
While you think you are being amart to say that a person’s message is verbal diarrhea, yours is so out of the world, that no one knows what it is.
I could corner you deeper into the wall but I will leave you at this–you are doing a good job destroying your integrity. I always knew that you were a great fool, but now I know that you are the “Lord of fools” I will not forget that!
There are other ways of understanding supposed biblical prohibitions against homosexuality. The sin of Sodom, for instance, was not homosexuality but inhospitality towards visiting strangers, something totally contrary to the culture of the time. There is a world of difference between homosexuality and the prospective homosexual rape of Sodom – let alone the rape of Lot’s daughters as his proposed compromise solution. It’s interesting you perceive Sodom and Gommorah as having thousands of homosexuals being destroyed. I’m also intrigued by your certainty as to their sexual orientation since homosexuality was not understood as such in those times. I imagine them as small towns or villages of maybe a few hundred people of varied sexuality, just like everywhere else on the planet. Nevertheless, even granting you all your assumptions, their sin still wasn’t consensual sexual activity, but rape. I have no problem with the condemnation of rape, homosexual or otherwise. I do have an enormous problem with the cruel and degrading treatment of homosexuals as a direct result of misinterpretation of such biblical passages. Some truly terrible things have been done by my beloved Catholic Church in the name of Christianity, not least this.
Why are you so ignorant.You concept of what Gay rights are is misconstrued.The notion that you have about Gay people asking for tolerance regarding their behavior is not what Gay people are asking and demanding,that is the last thing they want.What they are saying is that they should not be denied certain things simply because they are Gay, example the right to equal employment,and housing,and not be assaulted or violated simple because they are Gay,these are just some of the things they are asking for, they are not asking for privileges nor they asking that you accept their lifestyle.Not long ago Women could not vote,is it right to deny someone from voting simple because they are a sex that being a woman,it is the same principle regarding Gay people.
Why would you hate or deny a person certain basic human things simply because that person has a different sexual orientation than you, making that person so fearful that they have to sometimes hide fearing being discriminated.Is that taking away your right to what you believe the Bible tells you or what you believe, of course not.The Bishop has outlined The Church policy regarding the treatment of Gay People saying that free sexual acts between adult persons must not be treated as crimes to be punished by civil authorities.Tell me where this is a vicious attack on Christianity.This is not asking you to accept their behavior, then why are you so arrogant.
The issue regarding Gay marriage.If Two adults of the same sex love each other and decide to get married and ask that their marriage be recognized
as legal why should the state deny them that right saying it was not God ordained or against God’s word.Tell me also what this has to do with the destruction of the institution of marriage or procreation absolutely nothing.Your mention about a third sex,very foolish and cynical.Have you heard of the term Hermaphrodite,well God also created them also and by the way where did Cain get a wife after being chased out of Garden.
Gary, what certain things? To get married? You are joking. Two men get married? Oh my! You do not need any further explanation. If you are intelligent you will know that it is absurd, stupidity in itself that people of the same sex should get married.
Well said! Hats off to you!
So, some noise makers call on the Church to speak and the Bishop speaks. I do not believe that many will support what he said above. He spoke not only against persecution of homosexuals but he shrewdly inserted an admonishing finger against persons who denigrate, vilify, and spread malicious statements about others.
I found the Bishop’s article thought-provoking, clear, and informative. I enjoyed reading it. I am happy to read that although the Catholic Church does not support homosexuality, it speaks out against criminalizing consensual acts among adults and the violence and hatred meted out to persons who engage in these acts. This distinction between opposing the act and condemning the persecution against those who choose to engage in it is important and must be emphasized. The Catholic Church, through the words of the Bishop, is clearly saying “I can hate what you do or say but I will not stand in your way if you choose to do it or say it.” I appreciate this stance. It is mature, democratic, and civilised.
Of course, I cannot accept the philosophy of an absolute objective truth. Many of the colonisers from the West subjugated and brutalised indigenous groups because the former believed that their understanding of creation and “God”, the “truth” to which they adhered, was superior to that of the natives.
A great piece, all the same.
We cannot be here and there – two ways. It is one way. We either agree or disagree.
Does Dominica have such a Law? When last were homosexuals punished and imprisoned for their immoralities? They are just blowing a lot of hot steam and want the world to proclaim them. God did not ordain it. If God wanted two people of the same sex to enter into a relationship and get married, He would have created one sex. Therefore, utilize your common sense if you have any. They must leave the Catholic Church out of their abomination and comess, influenced by Satan.
I will add my thoughts more in detail when appropriate but for now what must be understood is the extent of moral laws, Devine laws and human desires.
If we think of the continuation of the human specie then everyone on the planet should not support homosexuality but seeing that the flesh is as grass and human beings are fallible then they we should not support homosexuality but if someone practices this act they should not be treated as a criminal but the society should have mechanisms in place to ensure that they return towards the intended purpose they ought to be. The issue is not criminalizing or not because we know that if everyone has to marry their own kind that will be the end of the human specie therefore there must be in place a system that will deter individuals from wanting to bring an end to the human specie. If the powerful lobby has money they can achieve anything including same sex marriage, but that does not make it right because we were made to procreate and give life to make the world more interesting. Homosexuality is a selfish act of individuals looking to satisfy their own desires at the expense of society on a whole and while we need to be tolerant of those who want to practice it we should not encourage its practice since it goes contrary to Devine laws.
If the bible and more specifically Genesis is the basis of the bishop’s claim that homosexuality and same-sex unions are wrong, then it is sad. The old testament is filled with a host of laws which are not followed by the majority of Christians today, such as death for adultery, death for lying about virginity, death for apostasy, and death for breaking the Sabbath. Then we are expected to believe that homosexuality is very different.
Furthermore it has been established that the earth is about 4.5 billion years old and the species of the world have progressed through evolution, thus Genesis has proven to be a well fabricated story. A story albeit.
On the matter of natural law, it was previously believed that mankind was the only species who engaged in “unnatural” homosexual activity. This is not true. Many animals in the animal kingdom engage in homosexual activity. Is it all unnatural? It will certainly not lead to the perpetuation of the species but contrary to natural law is an entirely different matter.
I am a heterosexual, atheist Dominican male. I am afforded legal and societal comfort for choosing a partner in the act of marriage. It is unfair for homosexual couples to be refused that same comfort on unfounded grounds.
It is understood that the majority of my country men are culturally Christian and Catholic by extension but the day will come when we can overcome our myopic beliefs and treat all people with equality.
My friend, putting aside all Bible talk, why on earth did we evolve into MALE and FEMALE? What was the purpose and function of this phenomenon? Why didn’t we humans all evolve with penises or all with vaginas? Please explain.
Ii submit to you that everything that exhibits design has a designer and, by extension, a specific purpose. Homosexual activity is NOT according to NATURAL DESIGN. It CANNOT BE! You don’t have to be a Christian to come to that conclusion.
Like stated previously homosexuality will certainly not lead to the perpetuation of the species but that does not make it unnatural by any means. Over time the best traits will be selected as a result of natural selection, this means that homosexuality is unlikely to be genetic. The causes of homosexuality are still debated, but one thing we could be sure of is that it is not a result of demons which can be solved with a few prayers or an exorcism.
thanks much for the clarification of many points. the article is well written and easy to understand. the supporting scripture verses helped a lot. thanks bishop.
I mean he can believe whatever he wants. That is his right but where I differ is at the end where he goes (objective law) lol how is he being objective? He is coming from a purely bias position. Thank god that he made me an atheist so I don’t have to believe this malarkey
Thank God? and ur an athiest?
“Thank god that he made me an atheist”? Are you serious?either you believe in god or you don’t.
Very happy ot hear that this man respects the fact there are two laws, that of the state and that of religion and that what we need to remember is that these are definitely very separate things. In my eyes, religion is a very personal choice, as he says ‘to live by God’s law if salvation is part of our agenda’ and it is very clear that some people ‘pick and chose’ the moral advice laid forward by the bible. To go out of your way to criticise one of the many sins when you pick and chose is to be utterly hipocritical.
Of course I understand the divine laws will affect his opinion on homosexuality and I have no issue with that but this is a very well said, thoughtful and inclusive response from the church. If only the rest of the nation could be so humble and understanding of the differences in our society today.
This article could not have been written better.
It was with a joyful, full and satisfied heart that I read Bishop Malzaire’s excellent words. I could not have said it better. I have absolutely nothing to add to them. His words, on behalf of the Catholic Church are to the point.
Amen to that Bishop and God bless you. He is no doubt pleased with you.
We genuine Catholic Christians are behind you one hundred per cent. We love our Church too, established by Our Lord Jesus Christ. We will defend It and Its religious teachings. May God continue to give us the boldness, courage and the strength to do so. Our salvation depends on it. Thanks be to God!
Criminalize adultery, fornication, orgies, calumny, deep seated hatred, and the like. Yeah !!
SO MUCH HATRED!!! These articles bring out the “BEST” in the ‘religious’ doesn’t it….condemning others to hell….bullying…You all get riled up about matters like this after reading this Bible? It seems it teaches to love everyone…EXCEPT if they’re different? And if they are…To HELL they go? Sounds like a GOOD book
Rubbish. I read the article and NOTHING in there sounds like bullying! Say you don’t agree; fine! But bullying? Not a strand.
That’s the problem with same-sex advocates: too many of them are prepared to vilify those who don’t share their views.
I don’t always support the bishop because I don’t share his faith, but it would be unfair to him to label his article as HATRED!! Come on! You have no idea what hatred sounds like.
Look at all this HATRED! I’m pretty sure the entire bible has been written in comments on all the gay articles posted….I don’t believe in your God so I don’t care how much bible you quote to me…I see homosexuals for who they are…humans…just like me..tho different in their likes and sexual desire. I differ with a lot of people’s views but a great mind, Aristotle said “It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it” and that’s how I live in peace with those who are different.…I don’t feel I have any place to say what they can do in their bedrooms…I’ll just stay out of theirs…I don’t know why they want to get married in a catholic church (but then again I don’t believe)
Babylon ther great the mother of harlot and the abomination of the earth
An excellent article. Very reasoned and reasonable. Objective and of sound biblical position. This is the brilliance of a man who thought it necessary to be trained to lead people spiritually. Too many way side, “don’t know a thing” guys are out there being church leaders.
Admin, my last two submissions for whatever reason was kicked out; there is absolutely no way anyone can convinced me know that they are automatically omitted, or systematically deleted because of the length of words.
You once informed me that DNO does not censor, gut I have proved otherwise. I as I noted one should not be censored unless they are defaming people, or their comments are loaded with profanities.
Speaking of defamation of character, there are two people who defamed me right on this site, stating that I am plagiarizing.
Such is an serious accusations, yet such comment get posted, I would never make such outrageous comments about anyone and expect to see such comments posted.
One should never be scared of the truth, no matter in what form the author expresses themselves. And I do believe everyone whom something was directed to, should have a right to respond. I am not trying to dictate to you what you should print on your site, however; fairness is likely the key to success in any business!
I mean if you are if you are allowing the subject of homosexuality on your site, then the opinions of people like me on the subject should be fair game in responding to comments of others when they are directed to me. In this case someone ask me why I visit Palm Spring so often; and the person asks that question because he/she is aware that lots of homosexuals hangs out there, and may entertain the idea that I am homosexual, and that is why I visits there.
So, I thing I should also have the opportunity to let this person know that I am a womanizer, and I go there to look for women, gamble, and eat lots of Buffalo Beef.
And by the way drink up some Beer, Wine, Whiskey, and me Rum, okay; and not the filth which may be consuming the persons mind.
To each his own, and his god, whichever they serve; however, the God that I serve, dislikes homosexuality, an I am not prepared to get involved in that.
Francisco Etienne-Dods Telemaque
Wow,The ego is a fascinating monster.
Excellent article. It’s good to see a religious leader whose views are not myopic. Homosexuality may be a sin, but it is no different from other sins. Leave the judging for God. Let’s just live and try to be good human beings helping and caring for each other rather than hating and hurting. Love, don’t hurt.
You are wrong here that it is no different than other sins. Yes! A sin is a sin but there are some lesser and greater sin. Some will warrant eternal damnation and others will not. Therefore, do not compare homosexuality sin with (some) others. This is one is a great – grievous sin, relationships between two people of the same sex. If this is not a great sin, a mortal sin, what is? Let us stick solely to the issue of this article.
It is different to other sins: That is why God dealt so different with the people of Sodom and Gomorrah!
The proof is in the findings of both destroyed cities of so long ago recently. Now ask yourself, in the history of the world, how many cities do you recall god almighty destroyed for any other sin bedsides homosexuality?
I am sure you will not find another one; though there is another places on this earth, where it is said in the Bible will never be inhabited.
The last time a group of people decided to camp out and spend the night, they had to run and escape with their life. Let me take the time out to say when you find people writing their opinions under Rev. that and that, be reminded that the Bible teaches that the devil himself know the scriptures, that is why he attempted to use it to tempt Jesus
The devil has his ministers even in the modern church, and if we are not careful we all can be disappointed. That is why the Bible teaches in 2 Timothy: 15 “Study to shew thyself (yourself) approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.”
What God convey in 2 Timothy: 15 is simply this, people should study the word of God for themselves, so that when they read scriptures that so called reverends, and bishops, priest, and popes write, they can interpret the word of God for themselves, and not be taken in by the words of the ministers of Satan.
I do not know why emphatically why God hate homosexuality more than any other sin but, I know he destroyed those two cities because of that.
Something to think about!
Francisco Etienne-Dods Telemaque
Why are you asking that judgement be left for God in a matter that He has already denounced as abomination. This scripture regarding judgement is so misinterpreted and misappropriated it’s not funny.
as he mentioned about the general assembly in the united nation, i still have an issue with the church when moussolini murdered thousands of ethopians and the church gave mousolinni the blessing to go fight men with bow and arrows where his soldiers had guns…
So dam true
Address this elsewhere.
“God created human beings; in his image and likeness he created them male and female (Cf. Gen 2:37). Human beings therefore reflect the image of God when they are united in love, a love which comes out of their complementarity. God made man male and female to complement each other and together be an image of God.”
Amen!!! Amen!!! Amen!!! Amen!!! Amen!!! Amen!!! Amen!!!
“human participation in the union of a man and his wife reveals in some way the nature of God. Part of the vocation of married couples is to generate their own species, a direct fruit of the union.”
Amen!!! Amen!!! Amen!!! Amen!!! Amen!!! Amen!!! Amen!!!
“A couple united in marital embrace which is open to creativity, is the image of God the Creator. Therefore, for us who believe, same-sex unions can never be a sacrament and therefore can never be accepted by the Church as valid marriages.”
Amen!!! Amen!!! Amen!!! Amen!!! Amen!!! Amen!!! Amen!!!
“Therefore, whether it regards fornication, adultery, homosexual activity, the whole gamut, we have to live by God’s law.
Amen!!! Amen!!! Amen!!! Amen!!! Amen!!! Amen!!! Amen!!!
“We live in an age in which people say, it is my body and I can do whatever I want with it. St. Paul reminds us that our bodies are temples of God’s Spirit and therefore deserve our utmost respect. They must not be treated just in any other way.”
Amen!!! Amen!!! Amen!!! Amen!!! Amen!!! Amen!!! Amen!!!
Dear God, please bless our nation and keep us ever obedient to your word. Amen
Why don’t you learn to read your so called Bible properly. it seems you are not a good student not paying attention to what you read. Please read Genesis 1:26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.” Did you not see the word “our image” The so called God did not create man in his image singular but our image.You need to ask your self what is this about our image, there is a difference my image and our image.Why are you saying God created man in his image.
What about Gen 3:22 Then the LORD God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil.” here you have the word Us. God did not say man has become like him instead he says us, who is us, and way his God sounds so frightened that man is able to know good and evil
why didn’t he want man to know good and evil what is God hiding from man. How would you fell living today and not having the ability to know good and evil wouldn’t that be a travesty by God, making man in his image and likeness but not allowing man to know good and evil. Why is it that you assume that the union of a man and his wife reveals in some way the nature of God.Why would you believe that a marriage or union between a Man and Woman is the pinnacle nature of God.The nature of God cannot be just be boiled down to a marriage between Man and Woman,the nature of God is far more complex.This man made invention called religion,with it’s deception and concealment is at the root at hoodwinking the human race.
Your so called prayer at the bottom of your comment asking God to bless our Nation and asking to be obedient to God’s word is somewhat simplistic and cliche,worst of all the word obedient very scary.There is another word you forgot fearful.Have you not noticed that the God in the Bible request two things from Man to be obedient to him and fearful of him.These two request sound much like the nature of some entity.The Divine principle which governs this universe rewards us upon our recognition of it’s principles or Laws and not words.When we recognize that there is a power greater than us which bestows benefits to us simply by understanding how it works.This can be applied to every aspects
Why don’t you learn to read your so called Bible properly. it seems you are not a good student not paying attention to what you read. Please read Genesis 1:26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.” Did you not see the word “our image” The so called God did not create man in his image singular but our image.You need to ask your self what is this about our image, there is a difference between my image and our image.Why are you saying God created man in his image.
What about Gen 3:22 Then the LORD God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil.” here you have the word Us. God did not say man has become like him instead he says us, who is us, and way his God sounds so frightened that man is able to know good and evil
why didn’t he want man to know good and evil what is God hiding from man. How would you fell living today and not having the ability to know good and evil wouldn’t that be a travesty by God, making man in his image and likeness but not allowing man to know good and evil. Why is it that you assume that the union of a man and his wife reveals in some way the nature of God.Why would you believe that a marriage or union between a Man and Woman is the pinnacle nature of God.The nature of God cannot be just be boiled down to a marriage between Man and Woman,the nature of God is far more complex.This man made invention called religion,with it’s deception and concealment is at the root at hoodwinking the human race.
Your so called prayer at the bottom of your comment asking God to bless our Nation and asking to be obedient to God’s word is somewhat simplistic and cliche,worst of all the word obedient very scary.There is another word you forgot fearful.Have you not noticed that the God in the Bible request two things from Man to be obedient to him and fearful of him.These two request sound much like the nature of some entity.The Divine principle which governs this universe rewards us upon our recognition of it’s principles or Laws and not words.When we recognize that there is a power greater than us which bestows benefits to us simply by understanding how it works.That power works on principle it is consistent and does not wavier or pass judgement,it’s laws does not favor anyone based on religious beliefs adopted from holy Books such as the Koran and the Bible.
PS sorry for my second posting.First post was posted without completion hitting the post comment accidentally.
Gary, First the Bible is not a so called Bible,to answer your ? in our own image, refers to the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. The three in one.
You yourself have a body, a spirit, and a soul. Is it not the same you. Three in one.
Again when the word of God says man has become us He is refering to the three in one. In Genesis 2:18, there was one thing that God saw was not good, He said it is not good for man to be alone, therefore He made a help meet for Adam. Adam called this help meet woman. So this was God first and only marriage, between a man and a woman.
You said that obedient is very scary. Obedient is what God requires, not words. God said in His word that heaven and earth shall pass away but His words shall not pass away. Matthew 24:25. Yes God does want us to be fearful of Him, to know that He is God. He also said in Matthew 10:28 Fear not the one who can destroy the body and not the soul, but to fear the one who can destroy both body and soul in hell.
Yes there is a power greater than us, but not principles & laws, this sound like the new age. You said that laws does not favor anyone based on religious beliefs. God is not about religion. He is about Faith in Him that He is the only God and the He sent His son who from the beginning of time to come and die for our sins, so that what we lost from Adam we can have it again through the new Adam, His son Jesus.
The prayer for Dominica is a good prayer we do need God to bless our land. It’s not a so called prayer. Thank God for the many people who are praying for Dominica, may they continue. That is the reason you are safe and protected. May God draw the people closer to him, including you Gary.
Amen. Amen. Amen. God bless you for standing up for righteousness.