Vince Henderson say CIP is managed properly; $124-million raised in six months

passportdaDominica’s permanent representative to the United Nations, Dr. Vince Henderson, has said the island Citizenship by Investment Program (CIP) is managed properly and it has raised about $124-million within the last six months.

Henderson has been on various radio programs in recent days and has been discussing the island’s CIP, which has been under some levels of scrutiny in recent times.

Late last year the issuing of a Dominican diplomatic passport to former Nigerian minister, Diezani Alison-Madueke, who currently under investigation in Britain, prompted the opposition to ask questions over Dominican passports being given to people who appear to be questionable.

The opposition cited the example of Francesco Corallo, who was on Interpol’s most wanted list and who the government had sought to make its permanent envoy to the Food and Agriculture Organization in Rome; NG Lap Seng, who is accused of international racketeering and money laundering; Rudolph King and Timothy Cornwall who were jailed for fraud while they served as Labour Party appointed ambassadors of Dominica; Italian aristocrat, Paolo Zampolli, a ranking diplomat at Dominica’s United Nations Mission in New York while awaiting trial on allegations of stealing over US$4-million in brokerage commissions from a real estate firm.

Henderson has argued the CIP is managed properly
Henderson has argued the CIP is managed properly

But Henderson said the program is being managed properly and money is being raised.

“We have managed the program in a manner that is responsible and this is why the program is so successful, from July 2015 to January 2016 we had over $124-million in the economic citizenship account …” he said.

He stated the account is subject to scrutiny by the Director of Audit and is published as part of the records of the government and is available to everybody including the Leader of the Opposition who is Chairman of the Public Accounts Committee.

“We’ve been operating the program since 1993, it has gone through several changes, we’ve strengthened it like nobody else,” Henderson stressed. “It is the first time that there are laws, regulations, governing how the program should be run.”

He pointed out that the program is being managed so well that over the past 24 months Dominica has expanded the number of countries to which it has visa-free access.

“It is because of their confidence in the governance of the country and everything to do with the operation of the government, especially those things that one would think would undermine border security,” Henderson stated.

He noted the integrity of the program must be maintained.

“Yes, citizenship is the property of Dominica,” he said. “The government, as trustees, must manage it properly, must ensure that we keep criminals away, undesirable people away from taking advantage of our citizenship. We must use it as a tool for attracting foreign direct investment and it must be managed properly, as it has been, but it has great potential to help to transform Dominica…”

He stated monies from the program first goes into a special account, then to the consolidated account “under the rules of the public service, under the Finance Control Management Act, under the authority of the financial secretary..”

“We have to ensure that we utilize those resources properly to help develop Dominica and we have been doing that,” Henderson remarked.

He stated that funds from the program have gone into many social programs including sending people overseas who need medical attention.

“We have used it to help the farmers, the fishermen after Erika, we’ve used it for small businesses, over $4-million last year went into small businesses from that program and another $5-million have been targetted for the National Employment Program,” he revealed. “These monies are being used to help Dominicans and, therefore, we have to manage and protect that program.”

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118 Comments

  1. Francisco Etienne-Dods Telemaque
    January 29, 2016

    “But you told DNO readers that you are a multimillionaire. So how are you different from the people of the Government of DA, whom you and yours are accusing without evidence of proof.”(Elizabeth Xavier)

    Some of us make millions by investing, I made mine by investing in Real Estate. Some politicians in Dominica make theirs by stealing; (and I doh is talking about the opposition eh) . if the Federal Government, or the State of California decides to investigate and audit me for any reason, I can account for every dime I own and where the money came from to purchase piece of property I own, it all on government record. I can account for every dime I earn from my very first pay cheque to all the rent I collected even on the first day of this month okay!

    Now you see that crap you wrote above in the quote: sad to say I was one of them when I was told by a certain Labor Party insider that a certain man was a thief, I did the same…

    • Francisco Etienne-Dods Telemaque
      January 30, 2016

      “I can account for every dime I own and where the money came from to purchase piece of property I own, it all on government record.”

      That should read “I can account for every dime I own, and where my money came from to purchase (buy) every piece of property I own, and where my money came from,” its all documented on government record; those that I am owing on if someone wish to find out how much I owe, all they have to do is go the public Hall of Records, and get the truth, sales of property are recorded, and who purchase it and when, and how much they paid for the same okay!

      And by the way I file my Income Tax Returns every year no later than April of each year. I wonder it the thieving politicians in Dominica file any returns with the IR; declaring their total income stolen or not and the source of their money? Don’t screw with my life Elizabeth.

    • Francisco Etienne-Dods Telemaque
      January 30, 2016

      I can account for every dime I earn from my very first pay cheque to all the rent I collected even on the first day of this month okay!

      Now you see that crap you wrote above in the quote: sad to say I was one of them when I was told by a certain Labor Party insider that a certain man was a thief, I did the same like you are doing, I became defensive, defending one who we all now know is indeed a thief!

      The evidence is there as an open book; however, because the majority of Dominicans are corrupt, they prefer to ignore the evidence, and allow the thieves to continue to thief at random. Listen to the talk shows and learn about the hundreds of millions of dollars which passed through certain people hands, and who are they connected to.

      I made a fool out of myself the same as you are doing now, until I saw the truth, and had to accept it!

  2. January 28, 2016
  3. keepingitreal
    January 28, 2016

    6 months equals 186 days,take your calculator and divide 124,000,000 (six zeros) by 186 and tell me what you see 8) 8)

  4. Doc. Love
    January 28, 2016

    On many occasions I have been criticized for not having anything positive to write about the Skeritt led Administration, but the administration will not allow me to write favorable comments. Everyday, every month, the administration is involved in controversies, alleged corruptive practices and the bad management of the economy. Sometimes is not only what they do, but what they do not say to the people of Dominica. Case in point, Vince Henderson is boasting about management of the Economic
    Citizenship Program, but apart from all the alleged corruption surrounding the program, here comes a controversy. Mr. Nantan is Vice President of the West Indies Cricket Board of Control, the Corporate Secretary of the same board who isn’t Dominican is an authorized agent to sell Dominica’s passport in an office in Dominica. What we need to know, what is the connection between the Government of Dominica and the W.I.C.B. Maybe Vince or Nantan can answer these questions.

  5. The Baptiste
    January 28, 2016

    It pains me greatly to see that some Dominicans continue to wear their ignorance like a badge of honor, in-spite of the efforts on Q95 to provide information to help them inform themselves.
    Will all those persons who keep repeating, or parroting phrases like “The Public Accounts Committee” and “Director of Audit”, tell us when was the last time they read, or even heard of a report from the director of audit, and/or The infamous Public Accounts Committee? Not since 2000 in an instance for sure. All tis talk about leader of opposition been chairman, does not mean a hill of beans, when it is the Prime Minister ROOSEVELT SKERRIT who decides what matters actually comes before the house. Furthermore it is a toothless, rottwhiler.
    Please people, familarise yourselves with the institutions of your government, given that they have all been undermined, and rendered ineffective.
    Guidance
    TB.

  6. too late
    January 28, 2016

    Who really is funding the NEP is it Venezuela or Dominica? Why is it Vince giving report on CIP where is the minister of finance and the director Mr Nanthan ?

  7. January 28, 2016

    Report on money collected is a problem don’t report is still a problem, so is dam if you do and dam if you don’t. What Mr. Henderson needs to answer, is this 124 million $$ investment money to build hotels like the Kepenski or is it all belonging to Government.

  8. rainbow
    January 28, 2016

    Vince stated monies from the program first goes into a special account. Please tell us where that special account is. On whose name it is. More questions than answers.

  9. Fedup#1
    January 27, 2016

    DNO, the Maths is not adding up. The PM projected income of $30M for 2015 (visit https://dominicanewsonline.com/news/homepage/news/dominica-targets-ec30-million-in-2015-from-citizenship-programme/) and in just six months the UN ambassador claims $124M was raised. I suggest those figures be verified for the benefit of your readership.

    • indira Ghandi
      January 27, 2016

      Mr. HENDERSON,please,for your soul sake and for heaven sake do not be a part of that massive corruption,
      i wou l d even advise you to get out of this mess.

      Is your statement true?
      Have you given an honest report.
      you talking about fishermen and farmers get money.
      Compare what they got to the amount you said the program has made.
      WHAT A HUGE DIFFERENCE. My friend. Leave this corrupted thing alone.
      Do not say i did not warn you.
      Guidance

    • January 28, 2016

      @Fedup#1, 30 million is a target, you could fall short of your target or go over. This is not maths just simple commonsense.

      • Dee
        January 28, 2016

        Really dude? Aim for 30 million in a year… get 124 million in 6 months. That makes sense to you?Alright then. Carry on.

    • Gary
      January 28, 2016

      What maths are you talking about.This is not about maths, it is your inability to comprehend what it means to make a projection and exceeding it. The projected income refers to the estimated money The Government hoped to generate during a specific period, the year 2015, but The Government got more than what they hoped for or projected.The difference between what the Government got, and what they projected does not mean the Government stole it.

      The Hon. Lenox Linton is on the Public Accounts committee he can ask the Government to verify the amount of money collected for the year 2015 from the citizenship programme , but verifying it is of no interest to him, instead he likes when people like you, and others foolishly hold a perception that The Government is laying, corrupt and stealing money from the programme, that’s his political agenda and sadly you are a follower of that agenda.

  10. Prophet
    January 27, 2016

    I believe Opposition Dominicans remind GOD about the Israelites. COMPLAIN , COMPLAIN , COMPLAIN , COMPLAIN, COMPLAIN.

    GOD is watching because politics have become your religion Dominica. I’ve seen the biaseness of these people who manage DNO and it’s participants. Lennox has planted seeds of doubts, distrust and hatred in your hearts and only when he repents then Dominica will be saved for what he holds inside of him is not normal but a spirit of transgression against the law with his political games.

    Most of you who live in the USA are not safe as some commented. If the USA was safe then why terrorists always breach her borders and there are soo much crime? Soon from now, the Dominica you downgrade will be the same Dominica you will run back to. All of you fail to read and comprehend news from credible sources bill flock on DNO to receive confusion. Open your eyes and you will see that you all have been blinded against the development of your country.

    • %
      January 28, 2016

      HONOURABLE Linton should be left out of the corruption that you are trying to defend.He does NOT SELL PASSPORTS. Go after those selling our passports…Stop supporting evil.Your wicked soul!

    • @Prophet January 27, 2016

      You have spoken my sentiment all in all; but most of all I salute your first two lines. Too many Dominicans–especially those who do not even live in Dominica– are stupidly provoking God’s wrath, complaining against every project which the ruling Government approaches, for the sake of Dominica’s development.

      Their mind is blinded to the ills that the Opposing Government is seeking against their homeland, because of envy, jealousy, and downright wickedness–those who think that God will glorify those kinds of mentality–well they really do not know who He is!

      And you are right the attitude of ancient Israel still exists today–in Dominica, and all over the world someway, somehow–what those people fail to realize is that God is listening; He is watching; and His clock is ticking for the day He will execute His wrath.

      Those who rudely disrespect His servants their day with Him is coming–this is for such Dominicans as well

      • When the Israelites complained against Moses, claiming that he had brought into the wilderness to die, saying that they miss their “meat” instead of the feeding of Manna from God; well they got their meat for sure!

        God sent them the meat of the birds, known as Quails, which got them sick to their stomach and even to death–the faithful and humble survived .

        13 days to enter the Promised Land turned into 40 years, because of the people’s complaints–all, over 20 years, at the time died in the Wilderness–even Moses, because God punished him for his attempt to deal with the people’s mentality–he disobeyed God’s commands.

        Moses’ punishment should teach people– who continuously try to redefine God’s plans–that He resents their mentality and He will deal against them. God’s will is what it has to be–we the people need to know when to act and when to be quiet; as we follow His guidance

        Those who proudly ignore that principle will have their rewards.

      • Francisco Etienne-Dods Telemaque
        January 28, 2016

        You have to agree with a fool, because you are the same like him/her! As far as I am concerned you might be that fool, writing under another of your fictitious names, and responding to yourself!

        Jesus led the Israelites out of Egypt, threw the wilderness, he was the Fire that led them by night, and the Cloud which led them by day; they complained, and rebel ‘because of a lack of faith in God’ and that in the quote is my personal assumption. In any event their reason for complaining; and the suffering in Dominica are totally two different situations.

        God feed his people while they wandered; when they were thirsty he gave them water! There was no need for new cloth because what they never got old nor ware out!

        God Jehovah kept them in the wilderness for a reason, he could have led them in a straight line out of Egypt into Israel in a matter of days, he chose not to. In Dominica the people’s cry are due to suffering perpetrated on the people by Roosevelt Skerrit and the…

      • Francisco Etienne-Dods Telemaque
        January 28, 2016

        In Dominica the people’s cry are due to suffering perpetrated on the people by Roosevelt Skerrit and the rest of the his puppets in his circus.

        You Elizabeth, the Canadian government takes care of you in every way shape and form, so you talk crap all the time. You have no concept of suffering, you have no concept of what it is to suffer to a point of having to be hospitalized because you cannot pay your bills.

        Here is an experience, as told by a medical doctor out of Dominica: “each month acrimoniously a certain woman had to be admitted to the hospital due to extreme hypertension (high blood pressure). The doctor became over concerned about the woman, and went out of his way to talk to his patient to find the root cause of her been hospitalized each and every month for the same problem.

        In his final analysis, he found out that the woman feared the end of the month, and the first of the month, because there was never enough money to pay her debts. So, go ahead talk crap,…

      • Francisco Etienne-Dods Telemaque
        January 28, 2016

        So, go ahead talk crap, you have nothing to loose; Canadians pays your medical bills, and all else! The reason for the elevation of the woman’s blood pressure was do to fear, of not paying her debt on time, which caused her a tremendous amount of stress.

        You do not know what it is deal with life stressors, such as the woman who suffered, the level of high blood pressure which could have caused a stroke, or an aneurysm in her brain, or probably a heart attack; such are the suffering in Dominica. These days people in Dominica are taking the suicide route, out while idiots like you sit there talking nonsense about wrath of God!

        Why are you so dumb, and ignorant?

      • @Telemacque

        “Why are you so dumb and ignorant?”

        As far as I am concerned you have asked that question about yourself, as I have quoted! And so I will answer it for you> Reads it below:

        You, Telemaque–the black Lagoon Crocodile–are a dumb and ignorant “fool” the ttitle you are trying to share with everyone, but it belongs to you alone–nobody wants it! It is just too bad for you, that you do not know that.

        You are so, because of your mentality STUPID SELF CONCEIT, the attitude which causes your mind to think that you are on some sort of high pedestal–and no one can reach you there. But all of this is the way your present yourself to those who cannot perceive –especially if they have never met you

        I am saying that all is vanity and futility, pure human madness. You have no foundation; no substance, no structure, hence no Light, which is the Stature of Life –your existence is based on darkness –the stature of death

      • For that reason, those 3 or 4 comments above are plain stupidity. Dominica’s situation is worldwide –people overcome or they don’t .

        To overcome is victory, to not overcome is defeat. But the most common reason for the result of defeat is always based on the personal, negative mind–such as the doom and gloom of your mind.

        Your quote of the Bible is no difference from the way my uncle played music on the Steele Drum or the Accordion, but he could neither write nor read his name, much more to read or write the notes of music.

        You confirmed that, when you said that your interpretation of the Israelites from Egypt to the Promised Land is of personal understanding (though human wisdom, for sure, which God detests)–that too is vanity!

        I write so that those with understanding will learn from me–you are not one of those; for you lack understanding.

        Stop trying to compete with me, based on the things of the Spirit of God–you are not qualified to do so..

      • And one more thing! I worked in Canada–for 30+ years– for the service which I am now receiving from–both, the Provincial and Federal Government– for the taxes of my work was sent to both of them. Without my contribution in the Labor force I could never qualify for that service.

        This is also none of your business! But at the time I did not know that I was interacting with a PARASITE, who has no respect for human privacy–in that you are not human. I take the blame for trusting you with my personal situations.

        As a Canadian citizen, I am entitled to receive any Social Service which Canada has to offer, for I earned it. That is unlike you, who is using diabetes as a reason to defraud the Government of California–I got that information from you, the perfect source!

        But you told DNO readers that you are a multimillionaire. So how are you different from the people of the Government of DA, whom you and yours are accusing without evidence of proof.

      • Francisco Etienne-Dods Telemaque
        January 29, 2016

        ” I am now receiving from–both, the Provincial and Federal Government– for the taxes of my work was sent to both of them. Without my contribution in the Labor force I could never qualify for that service.”(Elizabeth Xavier).

        Shut up you old welfare queen!

        Haahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahah!

        I do no believe you work one single day in your life in Canada, for the day you arrive to this minute you went on the dole, collecting that welfare cheque each and every month okay! This boy here has worked from day thirty after getting here, it took me thirty days to find a job, I worked in the defence industry until I retired at age 47 years old, and went into my business of Real Estate.

        And for your information, I also had an electrical business too, I gave that up during somewhere in 2008 because of the depression. Nevertheless, my Real Estate business keeps me working for myself.

        Get a job Miss Elizabeth, you twelve year old welfare queen! Hahahahahahahahahahahahah!

    • stats
      January 28, 2016

      is true all they do is complain, they divide the country.

  11. Debull
    January 27, 2016

    Boss,if what you said is accurate then y’all have to be one of the wickedest governments. You can’t tell me y’all made all that money in the last 6 months and Dominicans still suffering.All the roads not fixed,airport looking like sh-t and you collect all that money. Stop asking people for assistance and you have means to help us,you failed agriculture and just keep taxing us but you know what every rope has it’s end. Please help,provide more and stop lying to the people.It seems like only when people begging y’all or kissing y’all a– that y’all help them. Now you are so boldface you are even letting one of your people tell us you got all that money….Dready,fire haffy burn y’all man.

    • January 28, 2016

      You are assuming that all this money belongs to Government. This money could be investors money to be applied to specific projects approved by the CBI.

    • EVALUATE
      January 29, 2016

      Most of that money didn’t go towards the government. All you soo wicked minded and full of deceit. All this proves to say that when you born in BLUE you always BLUE. Someone can remove their GUTS for DOMINICANS and they still ungrateful. That’s why Antiguans always say that Dominicans are the most ungrateful people in the Caribbean and i’m starting to believe it.

  12. bigger
    January 27, 2016

    All the questions ask of HIS EXCELLENCY can be answered by the leader of the opposition who is the chairman of the accounts committee he knows every thing about the monies. The names of the people and how much were paid is published in the official gazette and of course is in the public domain. The opposition don’t want people to know the truth it,s not in their interest

  13. Doc. Love
    January 27, 2016

    It is said that Dominica is ran by two men, Skeritt and Tony, now we have Henderson. The man is an Ambassador, shouldn’t he leave all those financial reports to a press conference involving the Prime Minister, the Director of Audit and Financial Secretary. Why does these fellers believe they can fool Dominicans whenever they wish, or all Dominicans are as stupid as the old lady from Kings Hill, Ducreay MacIntyre, Aaron, Simeon. If Henderson believes he has the authority to inform the country in terms of how successful the program has been, don’t hide behind a radio microphone where he cannot be questioned. During questioning he would have to disclose who are the major contributors to the program. I doubt Skeritt is brave enough to allow him to make such a disclosure. My advice to Henderson is to concern himself with the damage control relating to Giampaolo Pioli, Frank Lorenzo, Leroy Paris, Timothy Cornwall, South South Cooperation, Alison Madueke and Lap Seng.

    • Tjebe Fort
      January 28, 2016

      I woulnd’t agree with you. I reckon Skerrit and Alick Lawrence that are the two most important men in the counttry right now. Alick is smart and not talking but I reckon he richer than Roosevelt even. Tony desperate to be a member of the club but he can not because he may not be trusted. Nanthan is just a messenger, a rich messenger. Mind you all this is just my opinion.

  14. Shameless
    January 27, 2016

    Go ahead Doc-tar Vince, go ahead and try cleaning the mess but you have just dug the grave for El Supremo. Now he has to show us where that money went along with all what was collected before the $124 Million. I see you losing your job at the UN over this statement or maybe you have master minded your long over due forced exit from the UN, DLP and the Cabal circle.

    Skerrit must understand that when the fire eventually gets too hot ALL of you will run in the other direction leaving a barzoodee El Supremo to fend for himself. The time is drawing neigh when every tongue will confess against each other.

    Assertive, Never Aggressive! :twisted: :twisted:

  15. January 27, 2016

    Vince Henderson had an ebullient account of the CIP but, he should be ashamed of his deceptions. This government has manipulated the apathy of the vulnerable in this tiny Island. Let’s give them credit for being great salesmen, but wait, how much commission was paid to the salesmen. My fellow Dominicans, irrespective to your political leaning remember when Dominica prospers we all benefit and our future generation will meet a better country. Let us not allow these LEECHES to continue to ruin our beloved country. Let us show our fortitude and begin to ask pertinent questions with regards to the governance of Dominica. Remember all that Dominica belongs to all of us. According to Dr. King, darkness cannot drive out darkness only light can do that. The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and conscience, but where he stands in times of challenge and controversy. Let us unite and demand of our government honesty,transparency, sacrifice and progress for…

  16. da massive
    January 27, 2016

    Why all u bashing vince? He just put holes in skerrit sppech in parliament when he said Dominica is projected to make 25 million dollars from the CIP passport sales.. Now Vince is saying that the country made 124 million in 6 months.. Well Well vince either has his figures wrong or skerrit have some major explaining to do..I wonder if dbs have the testicular fortitude to ask of skerrit an explanation with such a vast difference in figures … All I can say is them man milking the country dry…

  17. January 27, 2016

    I have been asking g the Lab Rats to point out just one investment that came thru via passport sales u Der the Labor Party. 15 years of selling passports and the LABORATS.. Can’t Point To One.

    I can help the lab Rats wio. We gave villas, offshore accounts, shell companies, 1.5 million for cricket, billboards fir election, Destra, gospel Singer, Carimi, Berryessa Harmon, plane Loads and Ferry loads of illegal voters, toilets,buildin material, land in Bobois, offices in Dubai, Hospitals in the dky, phantom aqua Prawn darm, ghost taxi and Limousine company, energy solutions that don’t exist.

    U Hope t H e LAB Rats say thanks to Lang Mama for the life line.

  18. January 27, 2016

    Alah they even forget the lie that was told less than a year ago. Didn’t Roosevelt Skerrit say that the NEP was supported by Venezuela when b asked how is the government going to maintain the NEP.
    Is the the passport bazaar suppose to create sustainable employment opportunities. How is it that monies collected fromantic passport sales goes directly in to salaries NEP.
    I am no expert so I will just ask – is the missing $18 million at the NCB paying for any salaries nuh. Just asking wee

  19. Neverson st jean
    January 27, 2016

    What is the purpose of the minister of finance , has he lost his tongue

  20. truth
    January 27, 2016

    angelo catch them again, he broke the news tuesday night ,where my dominica trade house hiding,, government cronie jump up,to try the cover up ,,,why now vince, why now, you just come and throw that out like coconut before fowls,, just like skeritt jump out and tell his foolish supporters ,he is going to buy coconut produc tjust to keep them quiet, ha ha ha ,he is begging for money, but he is going to buy dcp, boy boy boy ,they have eyes buy still cannot see,

  21. Ralphie Alcendo, USA
    January 27, 2016

    nrotnrotottThe big question is………where is the money invested, in what sector (s) of the economy Because this is an investment programme as oppose to a purely revenue programme . The economy is in decline -2.7%. So where is the proper management of investment.
    If this money is in the consolidated fund it will be in the revenue allocation sector. So what part of the recurrent Annual Estimates can it be found. What part of the Auditor Report is it mentioned.
    All government moneys collected or spent must be legal and must be authorized by the House during budget session or supplementary budget sessions.
    The opposition is so inexperience that they do not know how to find relevant information or data to expose wrong doing, all they do is use the media to say selling passport is criminal. Dominica is not the only country doing so. In USA if you are an entertainer, a doctor, an inventor, an investor or a high tech person you can “buy” a visa then you can “buy” a…

  22. YOUTH
    January 27, 2016

    lol hendo aint ez he doh realize reporting that figure just open a can of worms. WHERE D MONEY!!!!! anyways eh good thing i have dual citizenship cuz when that bomb burst and dcans on blacklist…allu will know…lemme go back and suck my salt tan i too fast so dey put me

  23. love
    January 27, 2016

    Look how large is his smile, trust me u guys creating some real angry young men and women that will have no choice to join the extream,trinidad has just watch,i have been saying this for some time ,it only becomes important when we strike,am only human.

  24. Government Flunky
    January 27, 2016

    Well as a humble book-keeper (not accountant eh) for de government, I myself would like to know who is in charge of collecting these monies? Which Ministry? Who is the person/s depositing the money into NBD (OUR bank), who is the person making out the short receipt vouchers to be paid into the Treasury, where is the file to record and store such payment vouchers???

    I want to hear from the Director of Audit himself. I need answers, because if I don’t have my cash books in order, those audit people does ask me a jhay questions.
    So for that kind of revenue that CIP generating, I need some answers to my questions.

    Thank you very much.

    • Ralphie Alcendo, USA
      January 27, 2016

      @ Flunkey…….”Show me the money” that is the issue. Show me the transparency, show me the Audit reports. In fact the opposition should be asking for special annual reports from 1993 on investment money collected and how it was spent. A simple report of cash received for investment…..cash spent on investment. I think its called a profit and loss account I am not sure.
      The opposition need to act as professionals not propagandists.

      • Ralphie Alcendo, USA
        January 27, 2016

        @ Flunkey…….the programme has been operating since 1993 i e about 21 years. If in one guarter you can collect M$124. What is the total amount collected over that time. How was it spent and what is the return on the investments. If the money is used for other things besides investment….we have a problem.
        Is Henderson using his credibility for damage control to neutralize the opposition accusation of wrong doing, or does the opposition have justification for its stance.

      • Ralphie Alcendo, USA
        January 28, 2016

        Hey Flunkey, Henderson said passports were sold since 1993, ie 22 years, but Skerritt was not the PM and DLP was not the government. PM is there for 11years, so who sold passports for the 11 years before Skerritt took over. Skerritt was only 20 years old in 1993. If my maths is correct we are not getting the whole picture

    • forreal
      January 27, 2016

      why don’t you ask lennox,he just said that lennox is chairman of accounts commity,you all seem to hold a blind to these so glearing written lines that it ain’t funny en,i see hypocrits

      • Floridian diaspora
        January 27, 2016

        But you yourself only looking at what suiting you and you ignoring the rest. That is if you know why you supporting labor for. Can you please tell me what has these passport sales done to help the poor and needy in Dominica? You just there blowing smoke and making no sense. Leave Lennox alone. Check your P.M., he have enough on his plate for you to be worried about.

      • da massive
        January 28, 2016

        But skerrit them won’t give answers…Lennox tired begg them man to give account..stop making excuse for the government..their lies catching up to them..

  25. Zuma
    January 27, 2016

    Vince according to you. The passport money is directly from the Citizen by investment program, so where are the investments from the persons obtaining the passports. Are they creating any jobs for Dominicans.what structure have they invested in on the islands.where are the physical evidence of those investors . Where are the Hotels, . Supermarkets,, what are they doing. For the Tourism industry and Agriculture..

    We want to know exactly where these so called 124 million dollars are and on which account and why isn’t it creating jobs for Dominicans , on another note what is happening to this woman the first child mother of the PM is she being investigated for all this money she has acquired by forging passports for sale. We are not gullible so have respect for us…we want to know who are these criminals who have our passports… And we want you all to stop this racketeering and find other creative means of providing for Dominicans wellbeing….

  26. JBaptiste
    January 27, 2016

    What is Mr. Henderson job? Boss we need to know what you doing at the UN. I bet is nothing.I await Mr Nanton’s declaration about CIP. Is he they give post.

  27. LifeandDeath
    January 27, 2016

    This explanation seems a bit odd tho..of 124 mil, 9 mil hastily explained..Vince is one the most eloquent Labour Party operatives I’ve heard, I dare say even the most intelligent. So if he’s satisfied with this mediocre explanation, then I don’t think any other would even ponder on a more convincing or evidence based explanation.
    However, it’s interesting that of the many infrastructural projects undertaken by the Gov’t in the last decade at least 60% were funded by Grant aid (eg. E.D.F), and soft loans from friendly gov’t like China, Venezuela..So where has the rest of the monies gone? How does a country go from 300Mil to 1Billion in debt although we received grant, soft loans and significant receipts from the CIP program? It is time our leaders be more transparent with their people..Farmers Crying, no major improvement in Fishing. Manufacturers bawling. Social Security bawling..NBD can’t account for 18Mil..Young people ready to fly out. If they cared for DA they would be…

    • Francisco Etienne-Dods Telemaque
      January 28, 2016

      They all want to be called doctor; doctor of what? In Dominica the majority of people in government running the country are just a few inches above total illiteracy, they are Simi-illiterates!

  28. Ng sing
    January 27, 2016

    Was it that same Vince Henderson who told Dominicans that they jealous of him, because he rubbing shoulders with millionaires?

    And who are those millionaires? like those who he meets in the meetings held exclusively for promoting the sales of our passports? The photos tell it all.

    The sales and promotion of our passports, both ordinary and diplomatic have taken precedence over more pressing national issues. You see in that scheme, millions are being made by a few. The people of Dominica are not in the picture with millionaires and billionaires making/signing deals. Only a few in “Power” know Corallo, NG Lap Seng, the recent Nigerian former Minister, charged with fraud, money-laundering, etc., and the other questionable people.

    Which ordinary Dominicans could rub their toe, much less their shoulder, with millionaires, especially with so many crooks, who are in trouble with the Law, arrested,or jailed? Was Vince caught in the photo with NG Lap Seng in a meeting?

  29. Dechire
    January 27, 2016

    The program is successful alright – the money is going to individuals – and not the treasurer and they are getting richer and richer while the ” illiterates” who voted for them are suffering and cant see past their nose

  30. Francisco Etienne-Dods Telemaque
    January 27, 2016

    In the mind of all the circus members of the Labor Party; everything in Dominica involving the Skerrit’s government in their eye is properly managed. In the days of communism in the former Soviet Union, even to the day the Berlin Wall fell, the communists leaders in Moscow said: ” we have no problem in the Soviet Union; there is no problem in the Soviet Union!”

    The outside world saw the problems, the insiders in the in the former Soviet Union fooled themselves to the last day when the Soviet Union failed; and communism fell, now long disappeared into oblivion! Vince is simply spreading propaganda, while the economy is of Dominica is spiraling downwards, and the country is moving in the backward direction.

    Everything in Dominica will be okay, until the day the total economy of the country collapses. His bread is buttered, as long as Skerrit government remains in power, he is guaranteed a permanent job, Dominica is the only place where ambassadors, and diplomats serves…

    • Francisco Etienne-Dods Telemaque
      January 27, 2016

      Dominica is the only place where ambassadors, and diplomats serves forever; appointed for life!

  31. Titiwi
    January 27, 2016

    Vince Henderson can call himself Doctor all day long but the D.LP. degree he has from Northwestern University is not the same as the traditional Ph.D., also offered by the same institute.
    Mr. Henderson is a smooth, if not glib talker, I give him that but that does not alter the fact that the proceeds of the sale of citizenships were always intended to be invested direct into income producing projects in Dominica and not for social security purposes, to finance election campaigns or to prop up a programme like NEP. We can talk long and fast but that is the bottom line. To this day there is no transparency or scrutiny as to where these funds went.
    Secondly. Mr. Henderson is alss Dominica’s Chairman of the geothermal negotiating team, appointed in June 2012. I would very much for him to hold forth on the prospects of that in the same eloquent manner. Thank you “doctor”.

  32. MIND BOGGLING
    January 27, 2016

    Henderson this CIP program \’ is successful \’… for all those involve. Not for the Country! Dominica is certainly not benefitting from all the Millions generated from the sale of OUR PASSPORTS. I PRAY THESE WORDS COME BACK TO HAUNT YOU! You and this Corrupt Regime got to answer for the disservice to the People of Dominica.

  33. zammy
    January 27, 2016

    Breakfast in bed, wpooooow. ..breaking news. …..Breaking news.
    Look money. … only in a few months ..
    What about the past 14 odd years?

    Mr Henderson now sitting on a throne of gold talking a load of foolishness to unsuspecting Dominicanso
    No wonder Dominica will never improve or go places .
    When they became labour party Parliamentary reps not even a box of KFC they could afford. .
    Right now they are millionaire billionaires with massive mansions and SUVs
    Truth be told : Dominicans reap what you all sow. ….

  34. Ideal
    January 27, 2016

    So tell us Vince where on earth is the money going? Are we Dominicans getting our share or are we to continue to ” suck salt”. You said it so we want the proof.

  35. Shaka Zulu
    January 27, 2016

    $124 million in 6 months and operational since 1993. All you can do calculations and come up with an average. When the dust settles if no one goes to jail I will denounce my Dominica citizenship and move on with my life. There are lots of places that will do great with my love, my loyalty, and my skills. Money goes into special accounts. Smfh. Out of 22 years you accounting for 124 million the was made in 6 months. Dominicans are a joke.

  36. January 27, 2016

    So much money 8-O if it was really spent the right way Dominica would me the place to live. No jobs ,Most people I met in Dominica are looking for a way to get out of the country. Meanwhile we love our PM.My people like it so am not feeling for them. They will still vote him come next election.

  37. kisses
    January 27, 2016

    So wat they doing with the money!!! It just on the account den?? And we dere suffering and all dat money on the account…gosh man!!

    • Common sense
      January 27, 2016

      Which account??? dream on!!!!

  38. pusss
    January 27, 2016

    The Country making so much money from selling passport so please do away with the VAT,

  39. dissident
    January 27, 2016

    Bogus!
    De people at delices and boetica didn’t have to wait that long for a temporary bridge supported on both ends with shipping containers filled with tarish.
    These figures should come directly from de mouth of de government accounting dept.
    Why de finance minister, who happens to be PM didn’t make de announcement with pride!???
    At least de river wall next to de berean church could have been tackled.
    De wall next to 7/11 cost you a mere $150,000.
    This is de city for crying out loud!

    Now i want someone to bravely announce how much monies we have collected towards our
    $1.3billion reconstruction?????
    Bear in mind we also have an official debt of over $1 billion!

    Wasted lying tongues!!!!!!!!!

  40. January 27, 2016

    Doc-tar Henderson in attempting to diagnose the ailment of the CIP you forgot the main ingredient; where is the evidence (which you guys are always so quick to ask for); that the program is really working for the Commonwealth of Dominica. Doc if you were true you would publish the details in black& white for the whole world to see; and then you could talk about transparency. Inquiring minds want to know the following (1) How many passports were sold. (2) To whom were they sold (3) By whom were they sold (4) How much was each sold for (5) What amount of the proceeds from the sale of each passport was paid to the peoples coffers. Doc-tar this is called the prescription which you skillfully and maliciously omitted from your dismal defense of what every right thinking Dominican knows is nothing more that a DLP Big Boys money making get rich scheme. When will you boys get it that Dominica is not all u “jarden patat” Accountability is what Rosie and Co. campaigned on

    • Shameless
      January 27, 2016

      Great rebuttal Old Daddy! 8)

      Tell the Doc-tar to wheeeeellllll come gain souplay. These guys seriously believe that Dominicans are fools and will drink any pills they give to us.

      Always Assertive! :twisted:

  41. January 27, 2016

    Another wolf in sheep clothing trying to justify Skerrits failures, but Dominicans are not buying that :-D

  42. %
    January 27, 2016

    There is no visible sign on island that even 24cents have been raised.Concerned citizens are demanding greater transparency.

  43. jonathan st jean
    January 27, 2016

    Ambassador Henderson, you have left more concerns about the CIP than you have explained. You have accounted for approximately $9 million. So when will we get a proper accounting for not only the $115 million,raised over the last 6 months but since your regime took the mantle of leadership in Dominica.
    Why is it you trying to explain away the concerns about the CIP program. The minister of finance, who is Prime Minister and works in Dominica is better placed to give an account. Instead he spends his time telling us why he hates Lennox Linton. How many passports were sold,during the 6 month period, and before that?How much gross was made,less the commissions paid thus what is the net amount to the consolidated fund. How much has the government spent,on what was it spent and how much is left in the fund?Don’t give us half baked bread.Mr Skerritt please fill in the gaps

  44. real deal
    January 27, 2016

    Them fellas there wicked u know. If u all could raised so much money in six months time what about the 19 years u guys been in power for. Is there any account of those years? No. So many questions and no answers so u all are coming up with that bull to quiet down the people when they hear of that figure.

  45. Shameless
    January 27, 2016

    Vince you and I don’t see eye to eye on a personal basis but thank you for telling us that we have raised over $124 Million within the past year. You accounted for 9 Million so please apprise us on the balance. Further sir, why are we using passport monies to subsidies the NEP? Correct me if I a wrong but I though that program was already being subsidized by a “friendly” government as proclaimed during the election campaign. Are you now saying the proclamation was a BIG FAT LIE?

    Monies gained through the sale of our cherished passports should NOT be used for social programs that only benefit supporters of the DLP. Further, how are we going to realize Return On Investments (ROI) when these funds becomes depleted in areas that does not generate economic growth? I wonder how will we measure such failures?

    So Vince, now that you have thrown the Director Of Audit under the bus we will hold him accountable. This makes you boss look clean but be careful sir! :twisted: :twisted:…

  46. lapawol
    January 27, 2016

    nice..ure finally starting to sound unbiased and like real rep to all dominicans. however its hard to associate whats happening on the ground with a lucrative CIP. sounds all nice and dandy and successful .. but its not being reflected in the country and what is being done… 5 million for nep wasnt that from the Venezuelans? or is it the second year of NEP thats being funded by CIP

  47. too late
    January 27, 2016

    So Vince not in charge of geothermal again man?

  48. real deal
    January 27, 2016

    Only now they trying to give account of the program after so many of their Cobal followers made millions from it. Legendary Bob Marley said u can full some of the people sometimes but u can’t full all of the people all the time. Rosie Douglas and the great other Labour leaders should be crying in their grave right now.

  49. Rescue 911
    January 27, 2016

    If all that passport was sold in 6 months,I wonder how Much have been sold in general

  50. duck1951
    January 27, 2016

    One of these days there will be no more buyers for these passports . This is also a big sham. Look at all the countries trying to do the same thing right in the neigbourhood . What is there that is tangible to show for it ? Whatever happened to our foreign debt ? Sooner or later we are going to have to come to grips that this gimmick will not solve our problems. We must go back and improve agriculture, manufacturing and tourism and stick to them. There is no free lunch !

    • real possie
      January 27, 2016

      @ duck how are we going to do all these things with no money? You people just sit there and run you all mouth. If workers comes into power now will you tell them to stop the program and stick with the things you said above? There are not enough people on island to rely on taxes. Your neighbors next door to you have the same dirt and the same climate as you do, and even flatter land mass as you.

      DNO knows this is not the reason or today UWP been asking about the program. They’re asking questions they have the answer to. What I get to understand now is, you’re given your citizenship by investment paper. For you to obtain a passport you have to go to the passport office to get a Dominica passport to travel. So when they tell us they just giving people passport is a lie.

      Was Madueke under investigation when she was given diplomatic status? NO she was not.

      • truth
        January 27, 2016

        i am sick and tired of you ,real possie, you are really a donkey,
        you make me shame and all possie people is ashame of you
        people like you that have us in possie with suck bad name
        if you use lenze please stop using it ;,is better you was even blind ,because your eyes make is of use to you,,you have them and still cannot see .

      • January 27, 2016

        Did u read the article? Vince said they made$124 million i selling passport.

      • hmmmm
        January 27, 2016

        Given by what? My boy you get citizenship you get a passport. Plain and simple.

      • da massive
        January 28, 2016

        @ real possible If u only google her name and do some reading u Wundt be asking this foolish questions? She was under investigation for months by the time skerrit met and offered her a diplomatic passport and title..

  51. Peter Potter
    January 27, 2016

    Loads of words but you really said nothing. Your account is not credible. You need to present us with proper audible profit and loss accounts together with attached expenses. Furthermore, we need a list of each individual passports sold, i. e. one by one and the amount of money achieved by each single passport. This list then needs to be consolidated with that ‘special passport account’ . This is not rocket science just simply keeping accounts as every credible business in this world has to do.
    I don’t think we are asking to much and if Skerrit has nothing to hide he should be able to present the above within days. Or is he still under the impression that it is none of our business?

    • The UK Contingent
      January 27, 2016

      Well said! Couldn’t agree more!

    • real possie
      January 27, 2016

      Profit and loss? What is Kubuli they selling man? Peter people pay for what they want, if they don’t qualify the money paid to do the background check is gone. You need to ask Edison about the 21 million of passport money he lost in the Layou project.

      • da massive
        January 28, 2016

        So,when are u going to ask skerrit and this government to give a proper account of all monies collected in the CIP passport sales ?? We all know they been under reporting what was really collected.. So where is the rest of the money? Edison is out of politics..skerrit is the pm and labour has been the government for the last 15 years..if u wanted Edison to,have the answers to explain then u shud have voted workers into government in 2009..ppl like u maybe stand to benefit from this corrupt regime and so u will defend them at all cost…

      • Leah Remy
        January 28, 2016

        8-O 8-O Boss you honestly trying to compare 21 million dollars with 124 million??? 8-O 8-O

        I give up, I gone.

  52. Salt Sucker
    January 27, 2016

    So Excellency Dr. Sir Henderson, just for the sake of argument…. Lets assume on average we raise about $124 million in the last six months… So I am suggesting in a year we could make about $248 million twice that amount. So over the last 15 years we could have raised over $3.80 billion and even more billions deducting your so called expenditures…. cause I think that just a small fraction of the cake. With no proper information, one can speculate. More questions than answers…!!!

    I don\’t have a PHD like you sir but my little brain in my vagrant \”sousay sel\” head said we should have been much better off like you Doc.. Don\’t you agree..!

    Can someone help me with the maths please…! I failed that in school.

    • beans
      January 27, 2016

      If he raised $124 million and just over $9 million was spent then we should have alot of money and yet still carnival queen contestant had no sponsorship

    • Dr.
      January 27, 2016

      Well said Salt Sucker. Dominicans need an explanation. Weh all d money gone PM?

  53. Anansi
    January 27, 2016

    Wait, did he state over 100 mill was generated?! Mr Henderson, the Dominican public would like audited evidence of every single expenditure from every passport sold. Only then would trust begin to generated in the CIP.

  54. derp
    January 27, 2016

    they are not transparent enough.. whose pockets goes the money?

  55. Tout Twelle
    January 27, 2016

    Some of that money should be invested in some Agriculture/food processing related enterprise that will encourage farmers, young and old, male or female, to go out and do large scale agriculture that will make a difference in our back yard farming.

  56. January 27, 2016

    Mr. Henderson, while we thank you for confirming how profitable and lucrative the Citizenship by Investment Program has been, your explanation leaves far more questions than answers. First of all, out of the reported $124 million we are yet to see any tangible results on the ground. You give an account of how approximately $9 million was and will be spent, yet no word on the remaining $115 million! If we do the math correctly the approximately $130 million missing from the non-existent Layou Hotel project, the approximately $120 million channeled through off-shore companies in the United Kingdom PLUS the $115 million given in your account of passport monies received in the last 24 months leaves a staggering $365 million that is currently NOT seen anywhere on the ground. It leaves us to continue questioning “WHERE ARE THE INVESTMENTS?” The NEP program and small businesses represents only a very small fraction of the MILLIONS received from the sale of our sovereignty!

  57. Sweet Red Roses
    January 27, 2016

    He who feels it knows it. Especially when the taste is in the pudding they pushed down your throats. I smell a big rat that’s invading my space. Need a diplomatic move to get out of this place.

  58. dgeorge
    January 27, 2016

    Mr Henderson
    £124 Million in the last six months
    now tell us truthfully how many passports sold in that program within the last six months so we can do the maths ourselves .
    Many Thanks

  59. Nana
    January 27, 2016

    How long did it take to come up with this lame statement? Whom are you trying to convince?

    A better argument would be to list the countries and people these CIP have been sold to. What their contribution towards Dominica, besides ‘buying’ a passport(s) will be.

    If $124m was raised within 6 months, what is the overall amount raised since the introduction of such programme?

    You give an ‘explanation’ of $9m spent. What is being done with the balance $115? Hope some of it is going towards dredging the Roseau river and carrying vital airport works

  60. Floridian diaspora
    January 27, 2016

    Selling our passports is the equivalent of selling our souls to the devil. There will be more repercussions arising in the future as we have already seen in the case of Alison-Madueke and company. I do not believe that only a phantom $124 million was raised. I think that there exists a higher undisclosed figure that they’re keeping away from us…………………………………… Look at the cars they drive, the clothes they wear, the houses they live in, and the frequent first-class champagne sipping long distance on the edge of space trips that they be making.

    • smdh
      January 27, 2016

      You sound dumb. America sells passports also.

      • Floridian diaspora
        January 27, 2016

        And your point is? Well then everything America does why don’t you all do it too? Start off by creating employment for the masses.

    • Verve
      January 27, 2016

      And with all that money in six months then there was no need for relief money from other countries and all this constant begging. The country should not be in debt if the program has been so successful. Bunch of Liars and Crooks!!

  61. Dosdane
    January 27, 2016

    Dno…there was a motor bike accident somewhere around Portsmouth sometime last week that claim the life of a young man.have you heard?

  62. committed
    January 27, 2016

    Vince boy, I want to vomit,so much rubbish you guys speak. Zore ka too nay che shien.

  63. Khan
    January 27, 2016

    hmm, this guy is a joker, he spoke at length on the Geothermal Energy a few years back it’s now zero.

    the monies raised he claims from the program has not impacted the economy at all…

    these guys are toddles period, the sooner Dominica gets rid or this evil regime, the island will continue to be a waste dump…..

    this guy should feel ashamed of the evil he is contributing to his fellow black bros on a caribbean island…

    • smdh
      January 27, 2016

      Time to leave Dominica Khan cus Dominica is NOT a waste dump. I dont like many of the politicians either, but the flagrant use of the word Evil by many on this site is nonsensical. YOU ALL HAVE NOT BEGUN TO WITNESS EVIL AS OF YET. NOTHING CLOSE TO IT! you can still walk about freely day and night. drink you own water and plant your own food. you can even use your own rain water.

      • Floridian diaspora
        January 27, 2016

        But is a democratic country, your damn idiot

  64. Whistler
    January 27, 2016

    another spin doctor comes in to bowl on a lifeless pitch..

    Dominica continues to be the laughing stock of the global environment, all things both locally and internationally are pointing to a dead economy, but he is attempting to spin..

    only in a so called place like Dominica where Degree Fools Resides that sort of garbage is inhaled by the fools..

  65. January 27, 2016

    We need to see major project it will proven to the people the money spent well,All these money you guys have raised no progress in this country something is wrong folks,Our major problem in Dominica our leaders are corrupt,They wouldn’t tackle the major issue could develop the country,Thats enough money could start development in our country.

  66. smdh
    January 27, 2016

    that money that running the country it seems.

  67. ex police
    January 27, 2016

    with all that said i haven’t seen anywhere in this speak or whatever it is that he give account of the questionable persons of interest by international law enforcement agency. and if over the past 6 month all that monies was raised where is the rest of the money since the the Labour party came into power?

    • smdh
      January 27, 2016

      As they put the man from possie to head the program he get a new mercedez benz. doesnt drive it roseau again i suspect he get too much fire for it so to save face he leave it home. the money rolling in boy. meanwhile they kaibosh WCMF to say we dont have money, christmas only DOMLEC had lights up and a few chinese, now Carnival on a skeleton budget. We dont have money they say.

    • Shameless
      January 27, 2016

      As god/ Jehovah/ Jah is my witness today, I have to see some people right here in Dca take some serious jail time one day for selling our passports and dipping their hands in the cookie jar. It is ” alleged” that the real money is not in the sale price itself but from the hefty commissions given to the “facilitating” circle of friends. Imagine that for a start. But, may I remind all and sundry that the same police force who refuses to investigate today will be the very ones making the arrests. Each pig have their Saturday and while that day may seem delayed for some rest assured it is coming.

      I pray that god will give man like Duke, Alpe, Butcher, Pestinea and even Gildon (Senior Investigators) long life so they can lead a very serious inquiry into this grave injustice to Ma Dominique and he subjects. :twisted:

      Always Assertive!

  68. Floridian diaspora
    January 27, 2016

    Out of that phantom $124 million, tell me what do we have on the ground to show for it? Where is all that $$$ going? What percentage of it is used for our supreme P.M. and his cabal’s personal use? So much made yet so little to show for it. Mr. Vince, you are a great shame to your village of St. Joseph and the entire island by extension. For God’s sake change your title from ambassador to embarrassment as this would better suit your plight. Anyone who supports his majesty in this passport selling scheme will be found wanting along with him. All the members of the Dumb Lazy party could hear that Alison-Madueke is being investigated by Interpol, FBI, or even their own parents and they still wouldn’t believe it. So brainwashed that they have become that King Skeritt could sneeze and they would call that progress. But the facts don’t lie. Just yesterday there was an article on DNO stating that our economy is in decline -2.7%. This indicates that the passport selling isn’t working. Fools!!!

  69. LuCLu
    January 27, 2016

    OK you gave an accounting of $9M….where’s the remaining $115M?I’ll be applying for my US citizenship soon because any minute now because I’m scared that the value of Dominican Citizen is on the decline.

    • Ideal
      January 27, 2016

      Soon we born Dominicans will be Foreigners in our own land. I shudder to think this is real.

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